The debate "God is a belief. it aint reality." was started by
November 6, 2016, 10:26 am.
By the way, Blue_ray is disagreeing with this statement.
28 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 39 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Radhikadhawan posted 24 arguments, Blue_ray posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 37 arguments, Blue_ray posted 13 arguments, Nemiroff posted 1 argument, geniegenius101 posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
Radhikadhawan, north, Yanksxx21, monikofos, giw2000rgos, WolfiesMom, ProfDoke, makson and 20 visitors agree.
Blue_ray, TheTrueScotsman, neveralone, dalton7532, jack_tim_45, GodisGod, Eruptionz, Nemiroff, phantrash55, thereal, Apollo, unk347, human, MrLuke and 25 visitors disagree.
okay then God is reality if unchallenged in 3 days it becomes fact. mhahaha. but seriously if no one debates it further in 3 days I'll assume I won
@nemiroff who do u think put disagree on my remark and agree on urs? I find it funny.:-)
also everyone's reality is diff. in some God is real others not. reality is too vague of a word
God is reality would it have miracles without him ? no so you sit on a chair and think about it I'm sure you had a miracle in your life it is God it is reality
the by what would u define reality. I have often heard it is the world u see. if we use such a malleable term then no one can say it's not in reality. it's in the reality of the believers but not atheist.
pointed at me? you have to be more clear. there was no mention of my name, no reply to my comment, I haven't even posted here recently.
reality is everything that exists... not sure how to answer such a vague question.
by what do u define reality?
u could if u want. was pointed toward nemiroff but anyone can answer
Am I supposed to reply or is it over for me??!!
by what do u define reality?
yeah for what?
iam so sorry.
Ya ya!! Then it's a TIE :-)
I was going to say that we could take the side of a tie but if u're sure:-)
U mean agree or disagree?? Well I disagree that God is there.. Anyways you can consider you won the debate. :-)
haha. it's fine. just joking. so agree to disagree for now?
No no! It can't be bad, I am a girl.... Hahahaha
is that bad?haha
no I'm a guy.
Good! U girl??
oh cool. I'm American. specifically from Oklahoma
No no I am an Indian
r u? if so I did not know
U mean I am an Egyptian hahahaha
the Egyptians believed something like that. they had a scale that weighed the good and bad.we offer redemption. to be absolved of past sins.
I think it does not really matter whether we believe in God or not. What matters the most is we should do what is right
I'm sorry. I can't even think about how hard that must be. if I had to guess I think she is trying to save u some pain. I would keep on trying. she is the one to talk about it. make sure she knows how u feel.
Everyday I go and meet her and she is still so nice.. She never lets me talk about this... I can not control my tears sitting in front of her. She is the greatest lady one can ever find.
more than the poor ask for his help but back to ur point. God is there with them. helping but He has a plan that eventually leads to a better life. but we don't understand it all the time. sometimes when God asks u to step out of the boat and walk on water u got to take a leap of faith
I'm sorry for ur situation it must really suck and I couldn't even begin to understand. but on this I would never say ur grandma wasn't good. sometimes life gets bad but I would ask u have u talk to ur grandma about this? this is a bad situation and I don't think I'm the right person to be talking to about this. it sounds like u need to talk to her.
No its OK I don't mind.. It's just the situations that shape our opinions.. Anyways study hard for your exams:-)
When poor people worship good and ask for mercy he never even turns a blind eye to them and then when they take up bad deeds we call them sinners and that God will punish them.... But what's the use when they are better off doing bad deeds than doing good ones.. Why will they do good deeds or even have faith in God??
U wanna answer? I will tell u my grandmother's story... I believe she is a divine lady maybe more than God.. She has done all she could in her 70 years. She has fed so many people, if she sees any animal or hungry person instantly she will leave her food and feed that creature, she has done maximum worship possible, everyday she prays to God 3 times and never eats her meals before doing so. Everyday she goes to temple and there too she does a lot of work at this age even, she washes dishes makes food for the people who come to eat Langar. Yet she has never led a peaceful life. Her first son had some genetic problem. He died after 1 year.. Then she broke her arm and after that one of her leg... Now she is suffering from a very severe disease. How much more does God want her to suffer? I don't think there could have been any path that she has not chosen to reach God. And one more in this condition also she has not left her routine.. When she is not able to walk even... And yet she is not at all recovering... There is no reason for me to believe in god
oh shit. i have exams tommorow.
sorry had u mixed up with nemiroff.
sorry for calling you stubborn.
yes. His love is unconditional. some may choose not to follow Him but He still loves them.
i believe in god.
who's gonna love whom? you mean god?
that's OK. He will still love u and her.
i guess she's stubborn. she's never gonna accept the existence of god.
which questions? I will try to answer to the best of my ability.
so what kinda answer do you want?
Anyways this is not the answer to my questions
that can be summed up to free will. we choose our life. it is our gift. personally I believe it can also be a curse but that's not said directly.
If you are God then I must tell you if you too do things just according to your wish then there is practically no difference left between you and we humans
yes He is.if they want. sometimes He uses others instead of just popping right in front of u. it's not much of a faith if he's right there is it? He isn't the one doing that. we have free will and he has a plan but we can run away from it if we want and some do.if u don't accept his help how can u blame him for not helping? He listens and depending on the situation he could be screaming I'm with u if u will just search for me and listen. half the time people search but they don't listen.
These are just philosophical things... Finding his hand in your hand everyday.. Ask the one who is spending his life in jail for no reason and the terrorists who r killing so many people and still moving free....
because its my wish. cause iam god.
Your God is a mysterious thing... Present in everyone, in every corner and still not visible no matter how hard I try, if I will try to see I will only see what I want to see, the figure of God I have been taught from my childhood... If he is really there why the hell does he go on making the poor more poorer, torturing the one who is already so tortured, and giving all the luxuries to the one who does not even know where to spend the money he has, giving all the facilities to the most corrupt person, punishing the one who is just trying to truly love a person, why does he never listen to those who are constantly praying to him for mercy
u forgot to zap him with lightning. I think God's a bit more here than what u think. but we both will just see two diff. things at work but I give the thing that got the ball rolling a name and try to understand what to do. I am not scared of hell. it is not the thing that takes me to God. it is Him that encourages and uplifts me. I am not scared of dieing or hell. I'm more scared of waking up one morning and not ever felling or hearing God's hand in my life and eventually turning away from Him. and then on the day I die to go to him and for Him to say He doesn't know me.
He is like a friend in that way. u can ask a friend and get x or u don't and u still get x but it might not be what ur friend thinks is for the best but He won't force u to not buy x. God gave us free will. so we can do what we want but God has a plan for u that is great but u don't have to go down it. and sometimes the answer is no. that x will harm ur life.
iam god. if you question my existence,then you are welcome to visit me in an another universe. heeehaaa.
Big bang in your house's kitchen?? :-D
If I don't ask then also I get what I want... What's the use of asking him??
He is the thing that started all this. it goes beyond a sensation. sensations come and then go as time does but with God it is dif. thanks talk to Him and sometimes ask for help and He does in His own way. the proof is all around us.
i have seen big bang.
If you can give!
oh yes. you want proof?
Ohhhhh really?? ;-)
iam god. cant you see?
What u r defining is only a sensation!! There is actually no proof or any simple basis of this omnipresent god
hmm i see.
it depends on ur definition of spirit. He is all powerful. He can become physical if He wants. He is all knowing.
So what you are saying is God is only a spirit kind of thing??
sorry had work.
I'm not. how so on the miracles thing? He is omnipresent. so technically He is everywhere. He seems to sometimes in the Bible take a physical form of dif. types so they had something to see when talking with him.(or wrestling.haha)
I would still say that your faith in God is just a belief (nothing to take personally) there are lakhs of cases everyday when lives of people get saved by miracles... But these are not miracles.... They are just a result of a series of methodogical causes.... If there is God actually where he is?? All the time we say he is within us around us... But what is the source of that spirit within or around... Where he actually is.... Outside the universe? Or on some planet? (besides argument all this I m asking for myself too)
all of above
did you find him through logic or personal experience/realization/conversation?
There Is no missing link. when we find the missing link won't you just ask what about in between that new piece and us? snap shots can't show continuous change. evolution isn't steps.
I can't really explain how it felt. words fail me on this.the closest I can get is awe-inspiring
OK to start I think u will need to know my past. when my mom found out that she was pregnant she told my dad. my dad was not happy. my mom was being abused by him at this time and she stayed with him because at the time she had abused wife syndrome. he beated her constantly. trying to kill me. eventually my mom had enough and ran and eventually got a divorce before I was born. when I finally started to get born there were complications. I was not coming out and eventually I had wrapped the cord around my arm and neck twice and was dieing they sea sectioned me and I lived completely normal. a week after that I got ammonia and went to the emergency room. I lived through that. when i got older I realized that I would die some day and u was terrified that my life would not matter and I would be forgotten. all the while that my dad verbally and sometimes physically abused me. I loved my dad but I also hated him. it was very challenging to say the least.i was also born with a strong since of right and wrong that didn't confirm with the society around me so I was out casted. all this and more was happening and I was deeply depressed. I was wondering around with no point or matter. eventually it got so bad that I decided to do suicide. I took my dad's pistol while he was gone and planned to kill myself. the moment I pulled the trigger the phone rang. I was very confused why it didn't shoot but answered the phone. it turned out to be a pastor from a town nearby who I never met and had the wrong number. he decided to talk to me and eventually asked if I was okay. of course I said yes. but eventually he kept pressing saying that God was pushing him to ask me so eventually I poured out all that has happened to me. he asked me where I lived that he wanted to talk to me in person so I told him and he talked to me about God while he drove and also when he got there. the idea that God loves me even after all that has happened to me sounded doubtful and I told him so. he asked me why I think the gun didn't work. I forgot all about it and of course he had it so I asked him what was wrong with it and he said absolutely nothing. he proved this when we went out. (live in country) and shot one of our targets. eventually I started to connect some dots in my life where I should of died or something go really bad and started questioning why it didn't. I saw God's influence in it now. eventually I followed God to the point that I am at now.
Can u plz elaborate how u found and what was he like and how u felt.. I would really like to know
because He was never hiding
everywhere. with an open mind.yes I have.a nd yes have found Him
Look where and how?? I hope u must have looked if you are saying so... Have u found??
not sure but neither r u on the missing link. I'm rarely 100? sure on anything unless everyone agrees and I have found it to be so. He is everywhere all u have to do is look
R u sure about this??!! We will be able to discover God only when we know where he is..
"The missing link is just a term for the part of evolution that is not yet found.. It will soon be discovered"
I could say the same thing about God.
I really did not get the link.. The missing link is just a term for the part of evolution that is not yet found.. It will soon be discovered, But God is something that is similar to just impossible to prove..
something had to get the stone rolling. also what about the belief the world was flat or that there is a missing link? now the flat thing was obviously proven wrong but the missing link is missing. it is the key to ur beliefs but it can't be found and yet u still believe. should this not be applied to us?
But there is a basis to this belief, we do not know how big the universe is. So until and unless we do not know the length and breadth we obviously cannot define the centre. But there is no basis of this belief
yes but it could be a fact that just has not been proven yet. like that we are not in the center of the universe. some have believed this but could not prove it. does that make it any less a fact?
And it has not been proven, so it is obviously a belief
that depends if the belief can be proven. much like Tesla believed that he could make the two way generator