Heaven and Hell are real

February 22, 2019, 11:36 pm

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The debate "Heaven and Hell are real" was started by InfinityMachine on February 22, 2019, 11:36 pm. 12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 16 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

InfinityMachine posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 2 arguments, District9 posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Happybadgal, InfinityMachine, amir_alhakim07, Light and 8 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, DestinySub, District9, district10, AlissiaMathew, EmiMoro, mtbtheboss and 9 visitors disagree.

InfinityMachine
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If everyone was perfectly angelic your opinion would be logical.

8 months, 3 weeks ago

I don't believe in religion myself, especially Heaven or Hell, it just seems as a way to scare us into being good people which is sorta messed up. We shouldn't be told not to hurt each other or not to kill each other

8 months, 3 weeks ago
InfinityMachine
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My argument is that the universe is constructed on goodness. Therefore if a certain action accomplishes a good outcome, then that action becomes real. The threat of the existence of Hell could not have an effectual power unless there was a plausible evidence for its reality. This includes evidence within the psychological matrix. If we have some inherent acceptance that Hell must exist then it probably does. The fact that all religions state the existence of a Hell could not be mere coincidence. There must be an independent reality out there somewhere that causes these ideas to persist so incessantly. What is the good of Hell? It is a deterrent from evil deeds in this life. Most wars including religious ones are not fought to save men's souls from hell. Rather they are fought over control of resources. Does that make resources bad? Should we stop believing in water and land since they cause so much war? Hell and the belief in hell has prevented more crimes than any police force.

8 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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it doesnt have to be real. the unverified threat has potential to be real, and eternal suffering is quite scary.

as to its use for good, it could, but it could just as easily be used for evil, like convincing people to go to war (crusades, jihad) or to kill unbelievers or accused witches without trial or evidence.

8 months, 4 weeks ago
InfinityMachine
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Insofar as it accomplishes a beneficial result, it must have a corresponding degree of reality.

8 months, 4 weeks ago

our spirits go as our will's attraction demands. once released from our binds we flow to our destinations in spirit.

8 months, 4 weeks ago

although looking at it another way, it is a good alagory for religion.

using the threat of damnation makes even stubborn people submit and bow their heads.

8 months, 4 weeks ago

57. The Gates of Paradise A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?" "Who are you?" inquired Hakuin. "I am a samurai," the warrior replied. "You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar." Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued: "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head." As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked: "Here open the gates of hell!" At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed. "Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin. (122 Zen Koans)

8 months, 4 weeks ago
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