The debate "Heres a challenge to you. Prove to me that Donald Trump is racist" was started by
March 25, 2016, 4:24 pm.
36 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
ProudAmerican888 posted 5 arguments, PsychDave posted 28 arguments, Maximus posted 34 arguments, Sosocratese posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Pugsly posted 1 argument, Alex posted 18 arguments to the disagreers part.
PsychDave, fadi, ERROR275, inkaanabi_20, Sosocratese, mousey, Pugsly, ProudAmerican888, Emporerpineapple, Captain_Cake, ReedMurphy, BlueMouse, Doormatt, Thomas_Jefferson, oscar90000, itsme and 20 visitors agree.
Trufflade, Maximus, openparachute, Alex, project_mayhem, neveralone and 5 visitors disagree.
name a businessman who hadn't been sued for being racist.
the ban on muslems is trump thinking "muslems are killing americans, the only thing I can think of to save lives is to ban muslem immigration until we find out what's going on" - not racist
if he said
"I hate muslems, I don't want them in my country, we're deporting all legal Mexicans" -racist.
just his jokes are racist his policies (securing the border) aren't racist.
No, it is the repeated racist comments and policies that make Trump racist. Anyone can make a racist joke without thinking about the implications. Trump has repeatedly called Mexicans criminals and rapists (though he was sure some of them might not be), he has called for a ban on all Muslims entering the country, and has said he isn't opposed to a national Muslim registry. He has said black people are lazy and has been sued repeatedly for racist practices which he settled out of court. This isn't a case of calling him racist because of one joke, it is calling him racist because he has shown himself to be racist repeatedly over a long period of time.
ok, it was a racist joke. yes, so was trump's jokes. but it doesn't make them racists. unless you are going to call everyone who says a racist joke a racist.
Nope. No defense here. That was a racist joke.
the hillary and NYC mayor C.P (colored people) time joke.
What joke are you referring to?
so are they jokes and ok, or is hillary racist too?
you guys get trump for that counting money joke he made.
then a democrat makes a racist joke and everyone's as al like "it's just a joke, it didn't offend anyone" why can't trumps comnent just be a joke, cause it was a joke
lol I think so
was that a line from clash of titans? UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.
oh, uh, one more thing... The paid provocatuers will now have their hands full if they think they will be shutting down. Trump speech in TODAY in Wisconsin(close to Chicago). They will be met by droves of bikers that are pro trump. UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!
stop acting as a mediator, you are not. You're not going to control the narrative with me, ok? To you he is racist because I think you turn yourself on and get hot and bothered when you get to falsely accuse someone. Someone you will likely get your face punched in for it unless you cower and only say it aloud online.
Could you either read the comments you are replying to or remain silent for all of our benefits? "I will accept that he did eventually reject the endorsement." What part of that are you not understanding?
OK, I cam accept that he apologized for being racist in that case. Do you accept that he was racist, which necessitated the apology?
how many time does the guy have to reject it??? CNN did a very common stunt to make guest look bad. they turned down the volume and he ask them what they said because he could hear them. This is all theatrics and the head cases eat it up like hot cakes.
In 2000, Trump and his associates agreed to issue a public apology and fork over $250,000 in fines after it was discovered they did not tell a state lobbying commission that Trump secretly paid for newspaper ads against an Indian-run casino in the Catskills. The ads reportedly included pictures of cocaine lines and drug needles, while listing alleged grievances against the Mohawk Indian Nation, asking, ?Are these the new neighbors we want??
So we will let you talk now. I will accept that he did eventually reject the endorsement. Has Trump apologized for his own racist comments?
liberal media, as I proved, doesn't like to let the rebublicans talk, and only focus on the bad
and then he denied, and rejected the endorsement multiple times
He said he hadn't understood and had a bad earpiece. That doesn't really match what he says since he at least understood who he was being endorsed by, since he calls him by name, and what he represents since he says he doesn't know anything about white supremacy.
did he ever apologize for one of his racist comments that you now admit he has made?
the KKK endorsement mess up on CNN got misinterpreted and he later corrected it.
The View isn't a serious news program, it is daytime TV.
That aside, has Trump ever apologized for a racist comment? You admit that he has made some, but everyone says things that get misinterpreted. Has he ever stepped back from one and said he was sorry or that he was misunderstood?
yep that video was about right. I mean ice never watched it until a friend sent me that video with carson.
If you go on the View, you can't expect to get a word in edgewise. I haven't watched much of it ever, but what I have cam best be summed up by Family Guy's sketch about it.
Jokes aside, they did let him answer questions and talk more than they tend to do for each other. The questions were quite leading, but he can't have been expecting anything else.
trump gets more media coverage than anyone. you think he couldn't retract a racist comment? he doesn't want to. If you say racist things and stand by them then you are a racist.
liberal media doesn't even let the trump supporters talk. it's insane.
by "people" you mean the liberal media.
No, he said normal people would explain what they meant or retract it if they said something racist. If you felt a business was treating you poorly and said "You people suck" and the person claimed you were being racist, you would explain what you meant. Trump doesn't do that. If he says something that comes across racist, he stands by it. When someone points out he has said something racist, he doesn't care. That is what takes it from being an occasional misunderstood statement to being racism.
by historybuff's standards of saying a racist thing = racist.
so if I say one racist thing. I'm racist? I'm sure 95% of Americans are racist by that standard.
Racist: A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. We are one race, the human race.
if someone says racist things they are a racist. how is this a complicated concept? if he hadn't meant them to be racist he would have clarified or retracted the comments. he doesn't. he says more racist things. you cannot continue to say and do racist things without being a racist.
and I'm not saying it is. nobody is perfect, and trump has said things he shouldn't have said. I don't think he said and did enough bad racist things to be considered racist.
that doesn't make it alright
I definitely agree he has done and said racist things, but he doesn't do it often, and most big businessmen get sued for being racist at some point or another.
He has made racist comments, been sued for racist practices and proposed racist policies. Anyone can say something and be misinterpreted, but it has gone far beyond that with Trump.
Trump made a couple racist comments, it doesn't mean he is racist.
here is what happened: Trump declined the KKK guy endorsement. then in a CNN interview he said he would look into David Duke. right after that he declined him again on twitter, then again at the debate the next day.
do you think people like Dr. Carson are members of any group who agree with things no matter what?
After I posted my comment I looked into it and I was mistaken. Trump did eventually decline the endorsement. What I was remembering was him saying that he would have to look into them first before rejecting it. A little late he claimed he had a bad earpiece and couldn't understand, despite responding and calling Duke by name. When the outrage over his not immediately declining the enforcement happened, he did decline it.
He didn't decline the KKK endorsement, he said he didn't know the leader. There is a significant difference there in that he in no way distanced himself from their values.
Whether he means his comments to be racist or not is besides the point. He has said racist things. I understand that no one is perfect, but he has said and done things that are ethnically wrong because they are racist.
He wants black people to endorse him because it is something he can point to and say "I can't be racist because I have black friends". That doesn't work and isn't a defence.
As to why some black people would defend him, there are members of any group who agree with things no matter what. There were Jews who supported Hitler. Their support does not prove he was a good person. Trump is nowhere near as bad, but the defense doesn't work.
Trump has gotten endorsements from certain black people. why would they endorse trump of they truly thought he was racist. nobody is perfect, and trump has said thibgs that could be tacken as racist, but I don't believe he means it as racist. if trump was racist why would he want blacks to endorse him, yet decline the KKK endorsement many times.
When you are constantly insulting, claiming you don't mean to be offensive just shows that you are a liar.
And lastly, If I was a bitter person that knew nothing and felt that I did like in your situation, I would probably want someone banned too. I really don't know why you are here. I fail to see any talent you posess in politics and debates alike. This just the truth and I don't mean to be offensive.
If I said you were useless however, I would be lying. You see, people like you are a reason so many people are waking up, and for that I thank you!
This reminds me of a old story. There are a bunch of crabs that are going to be cooked in a pot. One crab gets smart and starts to work himself into a position to climb out. The other crabs see him doing this and try to run over and pull him back into the pot. The moral of the story in this situation is that not everyone has a desire to be braindead, GOT THAT?
Let's be clear. You have now slandered me which is a serious offense, ok? I said you were a hypocrite before, not knowing you aim to be one everytime you comment. Let me give you a prime example in your last comment:
" I want a racist, insulting, douche bag to go away. everyone here dislikes your low brow, conspiracy nut job arguments."
INSULTING... DOUCHE BAG?
"Everyone here"...Are you now the voice of the masses? where/when did this meet up take place? Do you think that you personally are everyone?
Low brow, conspiracy nut job? You are braindead. Everything i said is fact dealing with politics. You being a very stupid, dumbed down beyond belief member of society doesn't penalize me for your lack of knowledge. This is again, you, a hypocrite attempting to shove your faults onto me and that never works.
how have I displayed any signs of paranoia? I want a racist, insulting, douche bag to go away. everyone here dislikes your low brow, conspiracy nut job arguments. or lack there of since you don't actually try to prove anything you say. you are going to get banned as soon as an admin comes back from vacation. there must be dozens of reports about you by now.
How's that paranoia comin? ; )
I don't claim to be Dave. I'm just hopeful you will bugger off. I mean you are going to get banned anyway, but you might as well save us the time.
why do you self loathing edomites try to blame others for stuff that you actually do?
either you are in a SERIOUS bromance with others.. or you are others as well as History buff.
really? because I was speaking to another name here and you came out of nowhere wishing me to leave. So how do you make sense of that hypocracy? I'll wait..
I don't think you have any idea what reality is. you seen to consistently be delusional and paranoid.
just go to your "safe space" trendy. It'll be alright.
do you need another reality dose?
if you're going to be giving out gifts, could you just go away and never come back?
bwahaha! You take that as you like buddy. It's Easter. My gift to you
That would be you admitting you are conceding the debate. Thank you.
right, fella.... just whatever you said. Just like that.
And still unable to formulate a response that is anything but childish babbling. How do you think you are even passable at debate, let alone good.
Are you ever going to address the arguments, or just continue to babble nonsense in the hopes that if you talk enough crap the smell will drive us off?
I want to give you the exact visual of what what is happening and what people are seeing so you can better understand. It was like you were throwing sponges at me while you were getting lit up with hammers in return.
you asked me if i "need you to explain how debates work".
I want you to pause and be totally honest with yourself.
You know IN ALL HONESTY that i have absolutely destroyed you in every facet of the word. Actually, it was hard for me to even watch. You are as helpless as a one legged man in an a** kicking contest against me. There's no need to even try to contest that because anyone can scroll and see for themselves. You are low hanging fruit and I can't even sharpen my game with such unfit competition as yourself.
Just to be honest, your opinion means less than anyone else who actively posts on this app. I disagree with some of them about most topics, but at least they are honestly debating and expressing their opinions. You don't have the weakest arguments because only rarely do you actually post arguments. Most of your comments are just juvenile posturing and insults.
You did teach me about gas lighting, so thank you for that. I don't tend to abuse people or associate with those who do, so I hadn't seen encountered it before.
I simply linked to his post because I don't feel the need to repeat an argument that has already been made. Would you prefer I reword it and repost it, or just point you towards the argument that has so far proven you wrong?
He did speak for himself. You ignored it and buried the post. That likely wasn't your intent, but it is the effect. Do you need someone to explain to you how debating works?
When someone makes a point, you are supposed to rebut it. If you ignore it and claim you have won, you are either an idiot or a liar. You should either address the points made or pick which one you are.
just honest advice, if you care to listen and want to save face. You shouldn't accuse me of acting like a child. You have the shakiest, weakest and to just be totally honest with you the most awful and pathetic arguments I have ever engaged, it's true. I am also a little upset that I am educating you and and getting nothing in return but disrespect. This says not only are you untalented but show signs of learning disabilites and display no manners.
ok, he can speak for himself can he not? Do you spoon feed him his food too? He's a very capable person so I don't see necessity to act on his behalf.
If you follow to the comment I am replying to, sosocratese explained a long time ago some concrete examples of his racism. It has long since been buried, but you have yet to refute it.
The best defense I have seen yet is the claim that he is only pretending to be racist, which I pointed out is a terrible thing in and of itself.
If you don't have anything of value to say, please stop running your mouth and looking like a child acting out for attention.
I believe that's a pathetic question when i took you to school on a plethora of things. I mean points have I not made crystal clear for you?
Do you ever have any intention of contributing constructively?
seriously, what point of any relevance have you made here, because i've seen none. But you cry foul as soon as someone hits back. I had told you to stay out of it but your nose is bigger than your ability.
When exactly did you think I had conceded?
because you inject yourself into things, you have no real point and are merely here to provoke.
seriously admins? I know it's Easter weekend but how is this guy not banned yet?
Wow! Dave, I'm authetically worried that you actually conceded and now are back to repeating what you were ranting yesterday. Are your eggs scrambled or what?
And still nothing to disprove Trump's racism. I do tend to repeat that you are not contributing to debates, but that is because you don't tend to contribute to debates. You default to name calling and Grand standing while ignoring the fact that you either have lost or are losing.
history buff, nobody here made you speaker of the housex nor translator or heard a valid point from you. Go eat some marshmallow ducks and enjoy easter before you get shredded too, like your bromo.
maximus literally no one on here thinks you have won any debate. except possibly the KKK members, but that is not an endorsement that anyone should want. when every single person thinks you are losing, why do you delude yourself into thinking you are winning?
you can take that however you like and your default statement(post getting wrecked) is stale and repeated.. maybe because it happens so frequently?
I'll take that to mean you have nothing but insults to contribute. At least you are consistent.
Dave, it's easter you took thrashing, go restx and you're welcome.
trump says numerous racist things. the argument was made that he doesn't actually believe the racist things he says. Socrates was telling you it is foolish to believe someone isn't racist when they consistently make racist comments. that is a perfectly logical statement.
Do you have an argument, or just more childish insults and posturing?
And someone actually voted this him to be the best (of the halfwits).
people, feast your eyes on this epic fail via scratchees:
"It's foolish to think that when someone is essentially telling you they're racist to not believe they're racist."
It's foolish to think that when someone is essentially telling you they're racist to not believe they're racist. Apart from his rhetoric however, his actions have been racist.
While president of his family's real estate business he was sued twice by the department of Justice for violating equal right laws. He settled both lawsuits.....he implemented company policies which forced African Americans to sign different leases, prohibited agents from showing them certain listings, etc.... I don't know how much more clear you can get?
UMMMM..so is it History buff or dave right now? lol..
Then the definition of racist you gave is meaningless. You're essentially saying racism doesn't exist. Since all traits associated with race are stereotypical in nature they are all justifiable.... This is a fallacy known as "moving the goal posts".
You gave me a standard which you would accept as proof. I've met that standard and now you're evading by negating your own standard of what constitutes a racist.
I was criticizing the idea that him lying to pretend he is racist is an improvement over actually being racist. Being racist is a bad thing and harms the person, their future, and society as a whole. Having a presidential candidate run based entirely on lies is actually worse because it means that not only are they alright with causing hate and division, they aren't even doing it because they honestly believe in it. You can't trust anything they say in that case, so how could you trust them with power.
I also took your agreement to be to MilaAngel's comment since that was what immediately preceded it. Who were you really agreeing with?
I think either myself or you have misconstrued the comment that i agreed with.
he was responding to the comment that said he doesn't believe the horrible things he says. you then 100% agreed. if he is doing that then he is running entirely on lies and no one has any idea what he will do. you cannot elect someone who tells nothing but lies to get elected.
dave, i'm sorry aren't you the one that always say's people can't use their opinion but rather facts with proof?
He said he would expose the 28 pages. He said common core education is gone when he gets in. And as much as people like to slam him on both sides; he actually seems to be the most common sense bearing. He said in the debate that he would not want people to just have to sleep in the steet and republicans Rubio and Cruz were attacking him like he was the devil,.. for having compassion! And these are the guys that are chasing the evangelical vote!
i agree 100%
I don't think he's racist. I actually think he doesn't believe half of the bigoted, small minded things he says. If he gets elected, he'll be like: "JUST KIDDING, America. I actually have normal feelings about things."
I believe he's a smart enough business man to reach the depths of a demographic that no politician has pandered to before, just to get publicity and votes. Reckless as it is, maybe it's because he really thinks he can do something.
So, your saying that stereotypes are true?
So you believe black people are lazy and shouldn't be trusted to count money?
Stereotypes come from somewhere buddy.
no, but it's obviously not true
Question...Is it racist if it's true?
Well....the best I can do is show you that he acts based on racial discrimination. It's hard to find one statement that satisfies the definition as a whole.
The best quote I could find to support the claim was: "Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that"
Add to that the comments he made about Jews and their negotiation skills and you have 2 statements which would satisfy the stipulations you provided.
However, there is actually more.
When trump was president of his family's real estate he was sued for racial discrimination in his company practices. He settled the lawsuit and agreed to various stipulations. A few years later, he was sued again by the justice department for denying rental properties to black people based on their skin color. He once again settled that suit.
Another tell tale sign is his treatment of minorities as monoliths. That doesn't need much of an explanation.
When a group of his supporters beat a homeless Hispanic man, his response was to defend his supporters by claiming "they're passionate about this country".... That's good old nationalism at work here, the same thing that lifted the Nazis to power.
He is also engaged in race bating when it comes to Muslims. While he has not made statements as clearly racist against Muslims as he has against African Americans, he is clearly engaged in inflammatory rhetoric on the subject.
So, he makes generalizations based on race, he believes African Americans are inherently lazy, he believes Jews are inherently good negotiators, he's settled lawsuits involving racial discrimination on multiple occasions, he race-bates during his rallies, he defends the racial violence from his supporters; I'd say that's a fairly good case for calling him a racist... At least to some degree. He may not be a member of the kkk or the nazi party, but he definitely fits the definition you provided .
I can't tell if you believe that, or you are making a weak attempt to quote Donald Trump...
Racism: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
You don't have to be oppressive to be racist. Racism is generalizing based on race.
What would you accept as proof?
can't prove that he's racist, but he's #1 with racists by far
If anything, that's stereotypical. In no way is that comment oppressing a race, and by the way, Jewish is a religion. What about Trump's comment "And, you know, I have a great relationship with African Americans, as you possibly have heard. I just have great respect for them and you know they like me.?
He has said "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."
Find a way in which that is not racist.