The debate "Hillary Clinton is not fit to lead this nation Bernie Sanders is a man of the people" was started by
April 11, 2016, 10:03 am.
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I wonder what liberalopinion with rank that hilary comment as.
the opposite, taxing products comming in from other countries, would encourage this. I don't care if it breaks a trade law china breaks trade laws daily.
okay, we make companies want to work on the USA. taxing the sh*t out of business, and rich people won't encourage big companies in the US.
Yes, companies open factories in China where they don't have to pay to protect the environment, cam pay workers substantially less than in the US and cam in many other ways cut costs. How do you propose to bring them back to the US? Saying you will just doesn't cut it. You have to give a plan beyond "I'll make it happen."
it's funny how it works isn't it. the one time she tells the truth.
guys I found hillary telling the truth. it doesn't happen much. it was when she said "the unborn PERSON doesn't have constitutional rights"
where the hell is bernie getting a trillion dollors for healthcare. he is getting collage money from the rich (well at least until the rich run out of money) so where is he getting healthcare money?
i like alex and PA888 veeeeerrrryyyy much. they are cool. modern people. not liberals. :)
fine the guy moves to Australia and buys his 3rd yacht. happy now?
also factories do move to china, that's a fact. and a factory in China helps the Chinese and hurts us
Alex, please stop saying people will move to China. I have explained to you that not only would it not help, it is actually impossible. If you can't pick somewhere that allows immigration, could you stop making stupid comments over and over about it?
gay people don't need special protection. their adults and the can protect themselves. where are we getting over a trillion dollars to dump into health care? i don't know if you've noticed but we're broke due to excessive government spending already. and if you raise the minimum wage prices will raise to compensate. how about we just go back to 5 silver quarters? that is worth about 15.15$ and would reverse inflation and make you more wealthy. the money its self needs to be fixed not the wage.
Completly agree with the gay marriage thought except for the fact that gay people need special protection. Well under a Bernie Sanders plan the minimum wage is 15$ so the whole thing about not being payed enough is irrelevant. Health Care would be high quality because it will have almost a trillion dollars going into it. So there is almost no concern for anyone as the rich man will still have money and the poor man will be able to succeed with social programs and be able to live a happy life.
also if we took out all the unnecessary government regulations and taxes a family could easily live comfortably off of a full time minimum wage job. but thankful that wouldn't usually be the case for very long. because as they work they gain skills and experience that other companies are willing to pay them more for better and often less work overall increasing their quality of life.
here's an idea. how about we just let the free market take care of its self! without all these costly business license and other worthless things that hospitals have to pay the government for your health care would cost significantly less. along with many other services dropping in price significantly resulting in you being able to keep more of your money in savings and overall increasing you wealth.
universal health care does not work. in fact people have lost limbs and even died due to government provided health care being so inefficient that they literally die waiting in line to get into the emergency room. you are not entitled to another mans labor i.e. the doctors in the E.R that have had their wages significantly cut due to the inefficiency of government provided health care. these cuts cause less and less hospitals to be able to stay in business resulting in less doctors to take care of the ever increasing population. but at least you got the part about gay rights correct other than the fact that government should be taken out of marriage completely and leave that up to the people and their religion.
Except that the poor family is receiving free healthcare and schooling which will help them save money. When you pay taxes you aren't throwing away money you are funding government programs
It isn't theft because you are receiving social programs and helping out your common man. Also having income tax at something like 40% would benifit the country so much with things such as college and healthcare making people actually save money in the long run. If we didn't have taxes we would not even be able to function as a country.
No, Although Hillary Clinton is not the best canidate for America and Bernie Sanders is for the common man. Hillary is still suited to run this country. Because, she has leftist ideologies and will keep things like universal healthcare and legal gay marriage legal as well as adding civil rights for gay people. Also, there is a good chance Bernie is not going to win but he did force Hillary to come further left than she was. Ultimatly, Bernie is the overall better cannidate but Hillary is still qualified to be our president.
income tax is theft no matter how you look at it. that poor guy will never be able to rise up to the level of the wealthy because as he makes more money he also pays more taxes and thus never gets more mony in his pocket. and that rich guy will ultimately become a poor guy as well. tax is fine when done correctly. for example consumer tax. when you buy a loaf of bread at a store you pay a little bit extra in tax this is voluntary you could always produce your own bread but it is more convenient to just buy it. when you force someone to give you part of their money that they worked for then you by all accounts are a slaver and they that you take from are your slaves.
hillary clinton is like a grandma. a grandma' s role is to tell stories to her grand children not to lead the country.
I agree that Bernie is leagues better than Hilary.
I agree with historybuff, trump is not going to win. He isn't going to get the nomination due to Ted Cruz's recent victories throughing him down from his major victory a bit. The GOP will probably split up when they decide who they want
I didn't say it would stop people from being rich, I said it would stop people from being rich in america. this is happening today even, factories are moving to Mexico, boasting the Mexican economy and lowering ours.
the rich guy moves to china, brings his billion dollor business with him, pays a $10 tax and buys his 3rd yacht
I'll rephrase it so you can understand. which would you rather make $10 or $70? higher tax brackets are not going to stop people from wanting to be rich. It wont stop people from being rich. It just shifts where you draw your tax revenue from the poor who can't afford to pay, to the rich, who very much can afford to pay. If the rich guy doesn't get his $30 maybe he can't afford that 3rd yacht. if the poor person doens't get that dollar maybe their children can't afford to eat, or go to college, or get medicine. It seems pretty obvious that citizens who can afford to pay more should do so.
it is logical. your a liberal, and an atheist and from Canada so I'll do the math for you.
I'll keep the numbers low so you can understand.
poor guy makes $10. he pays tax of $1.
rich guy makes $100. he pays tax of $10.
poor guy males $10 bucks. actually gets money.
Rich guy makes $100, pays $30+.
which one seems fair and balenced to you? which one would encourage people to be rich in america? which would enourage people to remain poor and not try?
I know it's hard for you, but these are simple A or B questions, please answer them if you can.
and why shouldn't those who earn more pay more to support the country which gives them such wealth? it is a totally logical thing to do.
Hell yes, I want the same rate for all. unfortunately sanders doesn't, he wants the rich to pay a higher %
do the richest deserve to pay the same rate if they make their millions of the backs off millions of low pay workers.
equality like taxing the rich WAY more then the middle class?
sanders supporters like equality
sanders supporters see that the wealth distribution is disproportionate to the work people do and the uncontrollable quality of life people have. Other people are selfish, and would rather keep their money rather than give it to those that need it more.
well I think it's like this
-bums that support sanders like free stuff.
bums have low income, and bernie only unfairly taxes the rich.
-successful people see sanders wants to take their money away and votes for someone else.
Isn't it anyone thinking about how Sanders will make It, I mean he talks like he will fix that during his time as president, every other nation developt it during many years, most nations started slowly after world War 2 and till now, Sanders creats the highest taxes in the world, higher than Denmark, so I don't really understand how Sanders supporters belives that the ideas will work without bancrapsy
how is trump unelectable?
why would you think trump will win? he is going to bomb. he probably won't even get the nomination at this point. and if he did he can't win an actual election.
I wouldn't deny that Sanders strives to be a fair man, I don't like his policies because I don't think he knows economics and certainly could do better in a non presidential position. But he wouldn't treat individuals badly, it's just that presidents worry about people as a country. And certainly a better person to Hillary.
We all know Trump's going to win, though. I'll have to apply for new job positions once liberals start moving to Canada. I like my job, but two jobs means more money, or a better job means more money.
Your a Donald Trump man I'm guessing
Hillary Clinton is horrible, Sanders still sucks