The debate "Hinduism is the oldest religion" was started by
March 25, 2020, 12:31 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
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oldest? don't be salty too claim as pure
all religious will claim that his or her faith is the oldest
but in Hinduism is there concept of 1st parent (Adam and Eve) ? because the oldest human being will totally know about the oldest and purely religion path
I know what I believe. Are you really open minded?
i asked you where it points to the date of jesus and you give me 10,000 words?
you cant narrow it down?
you cant explain it in your own words?
do you even know what you believe are or are you just decieving?
You refusing to read the article is telling me that you want to be willing ignorant.
its telling that you claim to believe something you cannot explain.
Well, then you can read this. A good explanation of Daniel 9.
daniel makes numerous mentions to the rebuilding of jerusalem, a sanctuary, and a temple in the very lines you claim to reference in daniel 9.
i doubt you are christian, or a man of any faith. you only pretend in order to you deceive.
the 70 7s, yes i figured. they dont give any exact dates.
lets hear the logical somersaults you plan to do to get an actual date out of them.
@Neimroff, what prophecy of the Temple? Daniel 9:20-27.
one of the most important prophecies was the rebuilding of the temple. 2000 years later, no temple in jerusalem.
thats something you made up.
Jesus saves our bodies as well, since bodies will be in Heaven or Hell.
All the people at the time of Daniel were waiting for the Messiah. Daniel prophecied the exact time the Messiah would come and exactly the time Daniel said He would come, Jesus came.
Well you cannot deny that the symbolism is so obvious. I can't help that you are willfully ignorant.
@Neimroff, you are wrong. The reason why he overturned the money lenders table wasn't because they were wicked for banking, but because they turned the Temple into a market. History tells us that people would sell their lamb at home, make the long journey to Jerusalem and when wanting to purchase a lamb the money lenders would charge an exogbitant price. Jesus wasn't overturning their tables because they were money lenders but because they were robbing people in the Temple. Jesus never overturned a money lenders table outside the Temple.
all the people on earth at the time of daniel were ignorant of jesus. stop twisting time to justify your twisted logic.
jesus brought redemption for souls, he did not save peoples bodies. your twisting things again.
jesus was not preaching sharing to a small congregation of his believers. he broke into where the money lenders are and overturned their tables! he essentially revolted against the big banks of his time. this is no small time preaching, but revolutionary demonstration for broad social change.
As for socialism, it only works among Christians and in a small group. Our church provides assistance to anyone who is needy in our congregation. Each congregation is to help one another. Also, our church supports missionaries so they can minister and not have to work. We even paid for a whole building for one of our missionaries and paid for a roof for another church! So the socialism that Christ advocated for is for a small group within Christianity. Jesus wasn't calling for govermrntal socialism. Also, God said that that those who want to eat should work. There is always a balance.
If Jesus is the Messiah, then it makes complete sense. But to someone who is "willfully ignorant" they will find any excuse. The Jews needed to have the blood on their door post or they would have died as well. That is redemption.
you are making some loose associations. the lambs blood kept the jews from getting punished, it did not redeem them in anyway, it did not take away their sin, it didnt change the merits of their soul, or increase their chances of entering heaven.
passover is a tale of liberation, not redemption. and regardless, there are many tales of redemption, they dont all point to jesus. thats idiotic thinking.
i can make many loose associations too. i can cite jesus embracing the poor and shaming money lenders to argue he is a full blown socialist and anti capitalist. you are making up nonsense to justify a preset conclusion.
Lambs without defect are to be set aside without defects. The lambs are to be slaughtered and the blood applied on the three-sided door frames of their houses. The lamb's blood was God's sign to pass over the house so as not to kill the firstborn. Just as the blood redeems the Hebrews, that's a lot of Christ redeems Christians from sin. The lamb was supposed to be without effect, Christ never sinned. the bones of the Lamb were not to be broken, Christ did not have any of his phone's broken. Anyone who did not have the blood on their door frame would die, so with Christ anyone who does not have the blood applied on their hearts well die eternally. in both instances it was an Act of Faith.
Which is the reason why the Passover does not need to be continued, because the Messiah is our Passover.
Yes, it was to remember when they left Egypt.
But the sybolism is heavy with what the Messiah was to do in delivering Israel from something worse than Egypt, sin.
The Passover is rich with references of Christ.
do you even know what the jewish passover celebrates?
Passover points to the Messiah who would be the Lamb of God that would take away the sins of the world.
I am saying that at least Daniel and his friends were waiting for the Messiah that would deliver them from sin and put their faith in that.
what does passover or keeping kosher have to do with the messiah?
are you saying all the jews of Daniels time were christians despite them considering themselves Jews?
There was a purpose to all those celebrations which pointed to the coming Messiah. Now that the Messiah has come, there is no need for all the religious celebrations. So they were needed before Christ to point to Christ. Now that Christ has come there is no need for all the feasts.
if they are so identical, why do christians not celebrate any of the jewish holidays, including the high holy days, and the holiest holiday, yom kippur? its almost like they are totally different...
so your saying that all the jews of daniels time were christians? even tho they considered themselves jews, kept jewish holidays, customs, kosher, etc.
I already explained to you what Christ means and what their view of Christ was or should have been (like Daniel's was).
or were all jews in the time of daniel christians?
Daniel was not from the time of jesus. in the time of Daniel, was Daniel a jew?
And one day, the Book of Revelation tells us, all the Jews will finally accept Jesus Christ.
Not true. Daniel believed the Messiah would be a suffering Savior who would come to save the world from sin. Jews at the time of Christ rejected Jesus as their Messiah because they were looking for a conquering king who would save them from Rome. Daniel put his faith in a sacrifical Messiah to save him eternally from sin. Daniel's prophecies tell exactly how many years it would be when the Messiah would come. Interestingly it lined up exactly the years Jesus came.
he practiced the same Judaism all Jews of his day practiced. are you saying all the Jews were actually Christians?
what is the difference between hinduism and religions? all teach how one should live, and hinduism certainly has more then a fair share of gods.
buddhism seems more qualified to be called a way of life, as it fundamentallyworships a man who learned to live perfectly. but i cant see hinduism in the same mundane way. it's actually quite fantastical.
Daniel was a Jew by birth, but he did not practice today's Judaism. His beliefs lined up with Christianity. The Hebrew word for Christianity would be Messianity.
Hinduism is a way of living and not a religion though all religions under the Indian subcontinent come under "Hinduism"
according to the bible, daniel considered himself a jew.
For sure Daniel was. Remember Christ means Messiah in Greek. Daniel prophecies about the Messiah (the Christ) and even gave the exact time the Christ would come.
so tell me, how many christians existed during the days of babylon?
Yes, but you can find which one is true, it isn't too hard.
wow, that sounds like something all religious people say about their religions' story. congradulations.
And one of those stories is the truth. The sons of Noah might have still been alive, or at least their children. They would have placed their faith in the Messiah's work of death to forgive sins through repentance.
all religions theologies start at the beginning of time.
if i create a story about a hero from before the big bang. that doesnt mean my story was in existence before the big bang.
1. i know what you were saying, and its it's ridiculous. how many christians were there during the time of the tower of babel? 0.
2. you were responding to my post to someone else discussing my disagreement with his claims about hinduism and pre hindu vedic faiths. you declared "of course you disagree," and then went off on something totally irrelevant to anything i was saying. you should really try actually reading what others are saying.
@Neimroff, I was saying that Hinduism started around the time of the Tower of Bable. Since Christ was promised to come in Genesis 3 to save us from sin and because Christ is part of the Trinity and appeared even I. the Old Testament in what we call a cristofeny, then obviously Christianity, started at the beginning because Christ Himself created everything as Hebrews points out. Jesus can be found throughout the OT.
@Allirix, I didn't say it was. I said Hinduism started around that time.
i was clearly disagreeing with the claim about hinduism and wasnt even responding to you. i was responding to agokulakrishna. try reading.
also, your talking absolute nonsense. christianity during the tower of babel. lmao.
The Tower of Bable was not the start of Christianity...
@Neimroff, of course you disagree. However, since the Bible is true, Hinduism is not the oldest, but happened after the Tower of Bable episode.
i disagree with that evidence. the roots of hinduism are very ancient, but i dont think those various vedic faiths can be called hinduism until the hindu synthesis around 500 BCE.
it may very well be the oldest still practiced religion, but religions likely go back tens of thousands of years if not more. we are using writing to date our religions, but religions almost certainly predate writing.
babylon and egypt go back very far and their religions, althought currently dead, likely predate hinduism. and those religions also likely had presynthesis roots in the various tribes of that region before coming together.
changing the topic to "oldest still practiced religion" may make it more true.
The oldest Book of the Bible is actually Job, which was written before Abraham, but God's plan to send Christ was in effect since Genesis 3 or 4.
@Neimroff, If the Bible is true, which it is, Christ is part of the Trinity which according to the Bible is eternal. Indeed, John and Hebrews, as well as Isaiah Christ is mentioned as being eternal.
Till the date ,from the researches and datas collected from ancient literature, artifacts ..etc,the proofs completely stand along with Hinduism being the most oldest.
by biblical christianity do you mean judaism?
"christ"ianity didnt start until christ.
and Judaism doesnt start in genesis 1. it was delivered to abraham, not adam.
If the Bible is true, which it is, then Biblical Christianity is the oldest religon.