Hinduism is the oldest religion

March 25, 2020, 12:31 pm

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The debate "Hinduism is the oldest religion" was started by pavan9062 on March 25, 2020, 12:31 pm. 62 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 65 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

agokulakrishna posted 1 argument, jrardin12 posted 16 arguments, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
jrardin12 posted 11 arguments, Nemiroff posted 23 arguments, rhaegar posted 1 argument, PeaceSafe posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

pavan9062, Wasculder, glenn54, jrardin12, agokulakrishna, sanjit, Daredevil_247, kapil, TanishKuvar11, chhotelalgoswami, Khairon, Rashia and 50 visitors agree.
akashmeka, kraDTheMerchant, Dazed_Confused, tisya_aaa, Joelm, debater_69, rhaegar, Bandile, tyler0300, Nemiroff, Craven198787, J1 and 53 visitors disagree.

jalolloyd
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my guy B.c A.d

2 months ago

oldest? don't be salty too claim as pure

all religious will claim that his or her faith is the oldest

but in Hinduism is there concept of 1st parent (Adam and Eve) ? because the oldest human being will totally know about the oldest and purely religion path

2 months ago

I know what I believe. Are you really open minded?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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i asked you where it points to the date of jesus and you give me 10,000 words?

you cant narrow it down?
you cant explain it in your own words?
do you even know what you believe are or are you just decieving?

2 months, 3 weeks ago

You refusing to read the article is telling me that you want to be willing ignorant.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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its telling that you claim to believe something you cannot explain.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

Well, then you can read this. A good explanation of Daniel 9.
https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v05-n01/the-messianic-time-table-according-to-daniel-the-prophet/

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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daniel makes numerous mentions to the rebuilding of jerusalem, a sanctuary, and a temple in the very lines you claim to reference in daniel 9.

i doubt you are christian, or a man of any faith. you only pretend in order to you deceive.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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the 70 7s, yes i figured. they dont give any exact dates.

lets hear the logical somersaults you plan to do to get an actual date out of them.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

@Neimroff, what prophecy of the Temple? Daniel 9:20-27.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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one of the most important prophecies was the rebuilding of the temple. 2000 years later, no temple in jerusalem.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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thats something you made up.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

Jesus saves our bodies as well, since bodies will be in Heaven or Hell.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

All the people at the time of Daniel were waiting for the Messiah. Daniel prophecied the exact time the Messiah would come and exactly the time Daniel said He would come, Jesus came.

Well you cannot deny that the symbolism is so obvious. I can't help that you are willfully ignorant.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

@Neimroff, you are wrong. The reason why he overturned the money lenders table wasn't because they were wicked for banking, but because they turned the Temple into a market. History tells us that people would sell their lamb at home, make the long journey to Jerusalem and when wanting to purchase a lamb the money lenders would charge an exogbitant price. Jesus wasn't overturning their tables because they were money lenders but because they were robbing people in the Temple. Jesus never overturned a money lenders table outside the Temple.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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all the people on earth at the time of daniel were ignorant of jesus. stop twisting time to justify your twisted logic.

jesus brought redemption for souls, he did not save peoples bodies. your twisting things again.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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jesus was not preaching sharing to a small congregation of his believers. he broke into where the money lenders are and overturned their tables! he essentially revolted against the big banks of his time. this is no small time preaching, but revolutionary demonstration for broad social change.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

As for socialism, it only works among Christians and in a small group. Our church provides assistance to anyone who is needy in our congregation. Each congregation is to help one another. Also, our church supports missionaries so they can minister and not have to work. We even paid for a whole building for one of our missionaries and paid for a roof for another church! So the socialism that Christ advocated for is for a small group within Christianity. Jesus wasn't calling for govermrntal socialism. Also, God said that that those who want to eat should work. There is always a balance.

2 months, 4 weeks ago

If Jesus is the Messiah, then it makes complete sense. But to someone who is "willfully ignorant" they will find any excuse. The Jews needed to have the blood on their door post or they would have died as well. That is redemption.

2 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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you are making some loose associations. the lambs blood kept the jews from getting punished, it did not redeem them in anyway, it did not take away their sin, it didnt change the merits of their soul, or increase their chances of entering heaven.

passover is a tale of liberation, not redemption. and regardless, there are many tales of redemption, they dont all point to jesus. thats idiotic thinking.

i can make many loose associations too. i can cite jesus embracing the poor and shaming money lenders to argue he is a full blown socialist and anti capitalist. you are making up nonsense to justify a preset conclusion.

2 months, 4 weeks ago

Lambs without defect are to be set aside without defects. The lambs are to be slaughtered and the blood applied on the three-sided door frames of their houses. The lamb's blood was God's sign to pass over the house so as not to kill the firstborn. Just as the blood redeems the Hebrews, that's a lot of Christ redeems Christians from sin. The lamb was supposed to be without effect, Christ never sinned. the bones of the Lamb were not to be broken, Christ did not have any of his phone's broken. Anyone who did not have the blood on their door frame would die, so with Christ anyone who does not have the blood applied on their hearts well die eternally. in both instances it was an Act of Faith.

2 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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what symbolism?

3 months ago

Which is the reason why the Passover does not need to be continued, because the Messiah is our Passover.

3 months ago

Yes, it was to remember when they left Egypt.

But the sybolism is heavy with what the Messiah was to do in delivering Israel from something worse than Egypt, sin.

The Passover is rich with references of Christ.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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do you even know what the jewish passover celebrates?

3 months ago

Passover points to the Messiah who would be the Lamb of God that would take away the sins of the world.

I am saying that at least Daniel and his friends were waiting for the Messiah that would deliver them from sin and put their faith in that.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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what does passover or keeping kosher have to do with the messiah?

are you saying all the jews of Daniels time were christians despite them considering themselves Jews?

3 months ago

There was a purpose to all those celebrations which pointed to the coming Messiah. Now that the Messiah has come, there is no need for all the religious celebrations. So they were needed before Christ to point to Christ. Now that Christ has come there is no need for all the feasts.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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if they are so identical, why do christians not celebrate any of the jewish holidays, including the high holy days, and the holiest holiday, yom kippur? its almost like they are totally different...

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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so your saying that all the jews of daniels time were christians? even tho they considered themselves jews, kept jewish holidays, customs, kosher, etc.

3 months ago

I already explained to you what Christ means and what their view of Christ was or should have been (like Daniel's was).

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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or were all jews in the time of daniel christians?

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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Daniel was not from the time of jesus. in the time of Daniel, was Daniel a jew?

3 months ago

And one day, the Book of Revelation tells us, all the Jews will finally accept Jesus Christ.

3 months ago

Not true. Daniel believed the Messiah would be a suffering Savior who would come to save the world from sin. Jews at the time of Christ rejected Jesus as their Messiah because they were looking for a conquering king who would save them from Rome. Daniel put his faith in a sacrifical Messiah to save him eternally from sin. Daniel's prophecies tell exactly how many years it would be when the Messiah would come. Interestingly it lined up exactly the years Jesus came.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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he practiced the same Judaism all Jews of his day practiced. are you saying all the Jews were actually Christians?

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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what is the difference between hinduism and religions? all teach how one should live, and hinduism certainly has more then a fair share of gods.

buddhism seems more qualified to be called a way of life, as it fundamentallyworships a man who learned to live perfectly. but i cant see hinduism in the same mundane way. it's actually quite fantastical.

3 months ago

Daniel was a Jew by birth, but he did not practice today's Judaism. His beliefs lined up with Christianity. The Hebrew word for Christianity would be Messianity.

3 months ago

Hinduism is a way of living and not a religion though all religions under the Indian subcontinent come under "Hinduism"

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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according to the bible, daniel considered himself a jew.

3 months ago

For sure Daniel was. Remember Christ means Messiah in Greek. Daniel prophecies about the Messiah (the Christ) and even gave the exact time the Christ would come.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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so tell me, how many christians existed during the days of babylon?

3 months ago

Yes, but you can find which one is true, it isn't too hard.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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wow, that sounds like something all religious people say about their religions' story. congradulations.

3 months ago

And one of those stories is the truth. The sons of Noah might have still been alive, or at least their children. They would have placed their faith in the Messiah's work of death to forgive sins through repentance.

3 months ago

all religions theologies start at the beginning of time.

if i create a story about a hero from before the big bang. that doesnt mean my story was in existence before the big bang.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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1. i know what you were saying, and its it's ridiculous. how many christians were there during the time of the tower of babel? 0.

2. you were responding to my post to someone else discussing my disagreement with his claims about hinduism and pre hindu vedic faiths. you declared "of course you disagree," and then went off on something totally irrelevant to anything i was saying. you should really try actually reading what others are saying.

3 months ago

@Neimroff, I was saying that Hinduism started around the time of the Tower of Bable. Since Christ was promised to come in Genesis 3 to save us from sin and because Christ is part of the Trinity and appeared even I. the Old Testament in what we call a cristofeny, then obviously Christianity, started at the beginning because Christ Himself created everything as Hebrews points out. Jesus can be found throughout the OT.

3 months ago

@Allirix, I didn't say it was. I said Hinduism started around that time.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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@jrardin
i was clearly disagreeing with the claim about hinduism and wasnt even responding to you. i was responding to agokulakrishna. try reading.

also, your talking absolute nonsense. christianity during the tower of babel. lmao.

3 months, 1 week ago
Allirix
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The Tower of Bable was not the start of Christianity...

3 months, 1 week ago

@Neimroff, of course you disagree. However, since the Bible is true, Hinduism is not the oldest, but happened after the Tower of Bable episode.

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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i disagree with that evidence. the roots of hinduism are very ancient, but i dont think those various vedic faiths can be called hinduism until the hindu synthesis around 500 BCE.

it may very well be the oldest still practiced religion, but religions likely go back tens of thousands of years if not more. we are using writing to date our religions, but religions almost certainly predate writing.

babylon and egypt go back very far and their religions, althought currently dead, likely predate hinduism. and those religions also likely had presynthesis roots in the various tribes of that region before coming together.

changing the topic to "oldest still practiced religion" may make it more true.

3 months, 1 week ago

The oldest Book of the Bible is actually Job, which was written before Abraham, but God's plan to send Christ was in effect since Genesis 3 or 4.

3 months, 1 week ago

@Neimroff, If the Bible is true, which it is, Christ is part of the Trinity which according to the Bible is eternal. Indeed, John and Hebrews, as well as Isaiah Christ is mentioned as being eternal.

3 months, 1 week ago

Till the date ,from the researches and datas collected from ancient literature, artifacts ..etc,the proofs completely stand along with Hinduism being the most oldest.

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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by biblical christianity do you mean judaism?

"christ"ianity didnt start until christ.
and Judaism doesnt start in genesis 1. it was delivered to abraham, not adam.

3 months, 1 week ago

If the Bible is true, which it is, then Biblical Christianity is the oldest religon.

3 months, 1 week ago
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