Hispanics are brand loyal and once they leave they never come back We have to stop them from levan

July 24, 2016, 8:42 pm

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The debate "Hispanics are brand loyal and once they leave they never come back We have to stop them from levan" was started by dalton7532 on July 24, 2016, 8:42 pm. By the way, dalton7532 is disagreeing with this statement. 2 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Nemiroff posted 10 arguments to the agreers part.
dalton7532 posted 12 arguments to the disagreers part.

2 visitors agree.
dalton7532, llemponen, SwaggerPoptart, sabrina and 6 visitors disagree.

a policy is more than 1 or 2 words. the devil is in the details. and you lack all details for liberal stances. this lack of nuance is a sign of oversimplified biased views/information.

3 years, 4 months ago

you did say members... as opposed to member.

an unspecified multiple is very different from single individual. multiple people shows a pattern. 1 person only shows 1 person. can you show any evidence of someone accepting his view or proposal? no.

having a ball involves in game action, not a single statement during a strategy meeting that didn't even get a response that we know of.

3 years, 4 months ago

I can attribute many left wing stances such as civil rights, free trade, higher taxes on the rich, gun control, and amnesty. What did I get wrong? Social services are well liked by liberals and many conservative attribute that with handouts.
Did I or did I not say "members"? If we go into the english language and how it works, if a team has a ball, the team has the damn ball! Whether or not every member of the team has the ball!

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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"calling Mexicans brand loyal consumers is the very definition of racist."

yes it is, however the next sentence from that email about them leaving is very true. there is no contradiction there and I've never mixed the two up in my statements. does me claiming that the second part is true mean the previous statement isn't racist?

when you first made this post without any context whatsoever it made no sense, after you clarified the source, the part about them leaving finally made sense, which is why I commented about it being true.... I never said the brand loyal part wasn't racist, just that it wasn't anything that can be attributed to anyone more than the SINGLE PERSON who wrote the statement.

I'm sorry if you though there was a contradiction but there really wasnt. once again, until you clarified the source the entire statement didn't make any sense. it really felt like you were just waiting to spring the source after we made an uninformed judgement.

I'll ask again, when have I ever used the terms idk wtf this means in any other post. it is clear you intended for this to be a confusing trap.

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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"First of all I do not like Rush, and I have never listened to him. I never read Breitbart and I do not care for Milo that much. How am I consuming biased media and why do you assume that since I brought up the DNC's racist marketing strategy?"

I never attributed any of those to you specifically, just giving examples at the diversity of biased media since you kept assuming I was only talking about fox which you deny watching


"Here we go again with you trying to redirect the subject. Can't I say the DNC brought up a racist marketing technique without you calling it biased? Is an unbiased news network not supposed to say a racist marketing plan is racist? It seems like that is what you mean, or what do you mean?"

not at all.
first off, I'm not redirecting anything. I believe I responded to every point you made. my assumption that your news is biased is primarily based on your inability to properly state a single liberal stance. what you believe to be liberal stances are exactly what right wing propaganda states liberals want. such as handouts which haven't been a central theme in democratic policies since I got into politics (can't speak to before obama)

"Let me say this again, calling Mexicans brand loyal consumers is the very definition of racist. It does not matter where I got the information from and for your sake, I did not get it from any news network. We all agree that that was a racist marketing technique proposed by members of the DNC. Why do you feel the need to keep on going?"

that's the thing your not getting. you keep generalizing it as a DNC statement when it was a statement from 1 person within the DNC with no sign of validation, agreement, or adoption of this statement by the DNC as a whole.

"Where the hell did you get I was trying to frame the whole DNC as racist?" -Dalton

"why do you assume that since I brought up the DNC's racist marketing strategy?" -Dalton

these 2 statements are practically contradictory unless we get into some serious semantics. this is why I'm continuing this argument. the statement came from one person, I don't know why you keep attributing it to anything beyond that.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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First of all I do not like Rush, and I have never listened to him. I never read Breitbart and I do not care for Milo that much. How am I consuming biased media and why do you assume that since I brought up the DNC's racist marketing strategy? Here we go again with you trying to redirect the subject. Can't I say the DNC brought up a racist marketing technique without you calling it biased? Is an unbiased news network not supposed to say a racist marketing plan is racist? It seems like that is what you mean, or what do you mean?

"it has nothing to do with the conventions. it has to do with whatever media you watch and their biased representation of the news, including the conventions which are an excellent example."

Quit bringing up the damn conventions! We are discussing a racist marketing technique that the DNC brought up! You always bash on me for changing the subject and you need to take your own advice.

Let me say this again, calling Mexicans brand loyal consumers is the very definition of racist. It does not matter where I got the information from and for your sake, I did not get it from any news network. We all agree that that was a racist marketing technique proposed by members of the DNC. Why do you feel the need to keep on going?

I already answered your silly little question, associate characteristics with culture, not race. Or else, it is flat out racism. Should racism be tolerated in any form? Yes or no. If you answer with anything besides yes or no. It will show your double standard and I will not respond.


You keep bringing up on the conventions for no real reason. This has nothing to do with the convention. Why can't you get that? I watched the convention on C-span by the way. Can you be quite on that now?

3 years, 4 months ago

what happened to the other statement about rice bowl engagements that I gave the same response to and apparently originated from trump? no desire to pursue that as a inexcusable racist statement?

sounds hypocritical to me.

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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"Where the hell did you get I was trying to frame the whole DNC as racist? I just found it ironic how the DNC's main message is fight racism and identity politics whereas they are using marketing techniques that are exactly that."

let's see, you took an internal email from one person with a SUGGESTED strategy with no hint of it being an officially adopted policy, and then claimed that they are officially using this technique as a racist policy.

so let me reiterate. you took an individuals statement to represent the entire organization as racist. a perfectly fine accusation if you weren't making a false generalization. where the hell did I get that idea? I'd cite had you not repeated it again in your very next statement lol.

can you explain how major companies and organizations are supposed to market anything without generalizing? I really don't think you understand the basics of marketing.


"How the hell was I supposed to know what you meant?"

because I explicitly said it's true that they would leave and never look back, I never said it's true they are brand loyal at any time... I was very specific. if there was confusion you could ask for clarification instead of jumping to the conclusion you were clearly expecting when you posted this statement without context, sources, or even the proper formating universally expected of any quote...


"This has nothing to do with the conventions.....

Quit demonizing me for the news source I watch. I have not watched Fox in the last 2 weeks."

it has nothing to do with the conventions. it has to do with whatever media you watch and their biased representation of the news, including the conventions which are an excellent example.

I never said fox, but there is no end to the biased media, on both sides, but often much more prominently on the right. breitbart, limbaugh, etc.

both conventions are had their controversies, but biased media will never admit that, on either side. and it is clear you are consuming very biased media. fox is the worst mainstream media, but there is so much fringe garbage that is many many times worse.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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It was a racist statement and I am not backing down on that. Where the hell did you get I was trying to frame the whole DNC as racist? I just found it ironic how the DNC's main message is fight racism and identity politics whereas they are using marketing techniques that are exactly that. You said "it's true. many Hispanic and black people are very religious and conservative. if the Republicans didn't pander to certain racist segments of our population they would totally leave and never look back." after I said "This was the a part of the DNC's marketing agenda. Their emails were leaked and this was found." It sounded like you reverted your opinion as soon as you heard DNC. Any logical person would come to that conclusion. It only reinforced my opinion after you said "so any time a company wants to expand into a Hispanic area, it cannot make a generalized statement in order to maximize it's impact on the community?" How the hell was I supposed to know what you meant?

This has nothing to do with the conventions.....

Quit demonizing me for the news source I watch. I have not watched Fox in the last 2 weeks.

3 years, 4 months ago

I love how your sources have nothing but praise and defense of your convention despite numerous controversies, while having only criticism of the opposition convention, when both had controversies and high points.

that's how you know your watching the news equivalent of Jerry springer. you seem like a smart guy, if only you had decent information for your arguments we would have a lot more fun.

3 years, 4 months ago

and it was an email sent from one person in the DNC to another person in the DNC, not a decided upon stance of the DNC as a whole. so if anything it showed that the sender is racist, and nothing else.

if someone on the opposition does something stupid, you see it as representing the entire opposition, if someone on your side does something stupid, he's just a lone freak, huh?

sad.

3 years, 4 months ago

it was an exact quote, without quotation marks, source of quote, or link... it was a single sentence out of context. how the hell am I supposed to provide context to a statement you said (quotes require quotation marks and a source, this didn't have either)

and yes, I said "idk wtf this means but it sounds racist" meaning this is weird and confusing, possibly racist, but so strange it warrants an IDK WTF before a possible racist conclusion. there have been plenty of times when I said "this is straight up racist, and clearly I didn't say it here cause it was such a random statement, and obviously context was missing.

why the hell would I add idk wtf? have I ever said that before?

3 years, 4 months ago

You said "idk wtf this means but it sounds racist", and then provided very little context on your next post. It sounded like you were just defending the DNC for no reason. We should not refer to people's race. We should refer to their culture. You can associate characteristics with culture but not with race. That is your answer.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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We have argued that eminent domain battle so many times and quite frankly I got tired of it, and quit changing the subject. It wasn't a trap nor was I being dishonest. I do not just go putting things out of context. It was an exact quote. http://gawker.com/leaked-dnc-email-refers-to-potential-latino-voters-as-b-1784216318 It was the very definition of racism and if the RNC had the same language, I would not like it either.

3 years, 4 months ago

the rest of my follow up post made it even more clear that my "OK to generalize" was CLEARLY in reference to big organizations trying to maximize a message AND NOT individuals making assumptions about individuals.

"however using generalizations to capture a maximum amount of people within a group, and assuming that an individual will behave certain way are 2 different things.

usually people don't do marketing to masses, companies and organizations usually don't release press statements or memos about individuals. your sad attempt to catch people in a trap by removing all context just shows your intellectual dishonesty."

not my fault you were eagerly waiting for someone to fall into your no context trap.

here's a clue, if your posting a random quote, without quotes, without sources, without links, you are removing all context and being dishonest.

without context it's racist, with context reality isn't a f***ing cartoon. learn nuance.

3 years, 4 months ago

"it's true. many Hispanic and black people are very religious and conservative. if the Republicans didn't pander to certain racist segments of our population they would totally leave and never look back."

this was my original "defense" the only part I said was true is that they would leave and never look back.

"Companies, organizations, media groups routinely generalize in order to maximize brand exposure. it's not just race, some TV shows are marketed to younger viewers, some to women, some to hispanics. such generalizations are a necessity of marketing in the real world."

the start of my very next post clearly stating that companies targeting a large group HAVE TO GENERALIZE. there is no other way they can function. please enlighten me.

I was very specific, unlike you who defended trumps use of eminent domain on an old lady, then simply disappeared from the discussion when you saw it was a losing battle, no clarification given.

sorry for not clarifying, I was assuming you were reading, not skimming.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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You had no intention of correcting yourself and clarifying what you meant and made it seem as if you were defending blatantly racist comments. This is especially the case after you contradicted me when I said nothing controversial. Go defend the DNC because that is what liberals do. They create loyal servants who are brainwashed to do everything your master says. You clearly said "generalizing is OK when referring to a large group of people" I gave examples referring to a large group of people. I never agreed with the statements that were made. I was only to show how arrogant that statement was.

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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not all men like boobs, some like asses, some like legs, some like eyes, some like dicks.

saying that in general, many men do like boobs is not sexist. assuming they all like boobs and start yelling that men are all boob obsessed maniacs who run around groping women out of control (like your Mexican and Muslim analogies) are both sexist, and extremely stupid.

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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"Black people love chicken."

what group doesn't love chicken?
saying about a large population that black people tend to love chicken is practically a fact. seeing a black man and assuming he likes chicken is racist.

"Muslims are all prone to terrorism and can kill us all"

that is a genealization aimed at every individual muslim, that is racist. heck even saying many Muslims are terrorists is just objectively wrong as if that were the case We'd all be dead. see how stupid THAT sounds?

some Muslims are terrorists. some right wing Christians are also terrorists. see the guy who shot up the black church. most right wing Christians and Muslims are not terrorists. your example is not a generalization, it's a false generalization.

"Mexicans are rapist and criminals and will offer us drugs at anytime."

once again, objectively false, not even a significant portion are. and you aren't trying to generalize about individuals within the community here rather than saying something like Mexicans like tacos, which is not true about all, but generally true about the population.


the world works on nuance. reality is complicated. simpletons will always seek to simplify it for their convenience.

3 years, 4 months ago

the only part I said was true is that they will leave and not look back.

the whole brand loyal line was stupid and racist.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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Men have a direct correlation with women. We are made to reproduce with women. Mexicans are not made to be brand loyal. You sound even more arrogant than Nemiroff.

3 years, 4 months ago

your "examples" are stupid.

men like boobs. in general it's true. alot of men like boobs. so alot advertising targets that.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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Black people love chicken. Muslims are all prone to terrorism and can kill us all, so we have to move away from us and not let them in. Mexicans are rapist and criminals and will offer us drugs at anytime. Now I have to move because I live next to a a lot of them. YOU SEE HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU SOUND?! Saying all those things would be ok then since we are referring to a large group of people. Am I right? You are pathetic.

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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so any time a company wants to expand into a Hispanic area, it cannot make a generalized statement in order to maximize it's impact on the community?

generalizing is OK when referring to a large group of people, it's the only way to function. it is not OK when referring to an individual within that group.

is your black and white world view capable of understand this distinction?

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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"idk wtf this means but it sounds racist." A racist comment is actually not bad is the highlight of your argument. Are you that daft to ignore the very definition of racism because nothing was out of context. What this marketing strategy was is racism and divides us as a people. We shouldn't view any race as brand loyal. This especially should not come from the party that puts fighting racism to the forefront of its campaign! You utterly arrogant liberal mind refuses to denounce the very definition of racism, and that shows how intellectually dishonest you are. Can you at least be a big boy and admit that marketing strategy like these divide us as a people?

3 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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Companies, organizations, media groups routinely generalize in order to maximize brand exposure. it's not just race, some TV shows are marketed to younger viewers, some to women, some to hispanics. such generalizations are a necessity of marketing in the real world.

however using generalizations to capture a maximum amount of people within a group, and assuming that an individual will behave certain way are 2 different things.

usually people don't do marketing to masses, companies and organizations usually don't release press statements or memos about individuals. your sad attempt to catch people in a trap by removing all context just shows your intellectual dishonesty.

3 years, 4 months ago
dalton7532
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Here we go with defending the DNC, "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race" This is the very definition of racism, and the very definition of what the DNC did. It is sad how you would defend such a thing by saying a racist comment is true.

3 years, 4 months ago

it's true. many Hispanic and black people are very religious and conservative. if the Republicans didn't pander to certain racist segments of our population they would totally leave and never look back.

3 years, 4 months ago

This was the a part of the DNC's marketing agenda. Their emails were leaked and this was found.

3 years, 4 months ago

saying all people from a specific race are one thing is racist.

3 years, 4 months ago

idk wtf this means but it sounds racist.

3 years, 4 months ago

Racism is not tolerated!

3 years, 4 months ago
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