The debate "Hitler wasn't a particularly evil man. I'm not saying his actions were ok but we all make mistakes" was started by
April 11, 2019, 8:21 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
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chrissurvivor, sagarparab, MADHURA, t4tejas, LucyTheDebatorQueen and 32 visitors agree.
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Everyone at one point murdered millions.
.... Maybe the actions that make him seem Evil?
I'm not aware of him being any more mentally unstable than the average person. Towards the end he likely was. But anyone who was captain of a sinking ship while your own men are trying to kill you would start to crack under the pressure.
what parts of his actions make him seem like mental illness instead of greedy, zealous, or just evil?
Hitler had some major psychological issues and was clearly deeply disturbed. Though I am not excusing his actions, I just think that maybe we should consider the fact he was a mentally unstable man.
I don't think Hitler ever told anyone he was going to be nice to the Jews. He was pretty up front about his belief that they were the cause of alot of germany's problems and that he wanted a "final solution" to deal with them. I would agree that he didn't make it clear what that solution was. But he didn't really try to hide his persecution of the jews.
Most people didn't follow hitler out of fear. The military didn't fear him either until late in the war when it became clear that he was leading them into military disaster.
I'm going to have to disagree the definition of evil is to be profoundly immoral or Wicked. I would say that by forcibly removing the Jews from their homes and placing them in concentration camps which he knew about in deceiving the public eye in most cases besides his military body who were too afraid of him at seeing the horrors of the concentration camps she was not just "making mistakes" he was an evil man. when he went into Power he used the state of Germany and saying he could help but did terrible things while in power this would be like me saying I can go into a shelter and save all the animals but then kill the cats and feed them to the dogs. the dogs will be well-fed and they will be fine but I am evil because it is immoral for me to kill all the cats.
Fair enough. Maybe selfish wasn't the correct word to use. The concept I am going for is more "only concerned with your own group". Perhaps that is more tribalism than selfishness. All humans have some level of selfishness. But Hitler was willing to exterminate entire ethic groups (not only the jews, also handicapped people, Slavs etc) to benefit his own perceived ethnic group.
dont you think the recent spread of consumerism may be increasing the modern levels of selfishness, a short term change that has nothing to do with evolution?
it's just a tiny bit longer then human memory, and may seem like the eternal norm.
agreed with your Hitler part.
however is selfishness evolutionary benefitial? and is it selfishness if you are looking out for others who "look like you". (I don't think appearance is the factor as warring European and Asian city states have shown, it is relationship).
sure there is the us vs them. but selfishness doesn't care about us, he betrays us to benefit him, and him"self" only. this is counter evolutionary, as we are a social pack species. cooperation and sharing is how we evolved. selfishness, with clinical exceptions, is learned from the environment. most people are not inherently selfish imo.
I agree that people are selfish. It is evolutionary to look after yourself and people who are like you. But hitler's evil wasn't entirely self serving. Scape goating the jews definitely helped him in his rise to power. But once he was in power, he didn't need to kill them. He could have just persecuted them a bit and and ruled just fine.
He killed them because he wanted to. It didn't further his cause by that point. In fact, towards the end of the war he actually pulled resources away from fighting the war to speed up the killing of the Jews because he wanted to kill them all before the war ended. At that point he is actually undermining his own self interesting to murder innocent civilians.
I would love to disagree on *inherent* selfishness, but let's put a pin on that.
even assuming most people are inherently selfish, and would trip someone up to get ahead... is that an all or nothing where they would be willing to trip up the elderly, handicapped, or young children? does Inherent selfishness equate to mass murder, systemic genocide, and propagation of war?
I do not think Hitler was in any way average. He was a monster. and the existence of (very slightly) worse monsters, doesnt take away from his monstrosities.
I would agree with that. But, I would also say that people are, for the most part, inherently selfish
I believe evil men more actively seek power, and are more willing to do more dirty tricks to achieve it. thus leadership is often not representative and why we need more institutional safeguards against strongmen.
so you think most people would murder millions given the chance? dark.
I disagree big time.
I think that he was as good as the average man in his day who simply came into much more power than the average man
the voting on this thread is disturbing
I believe there are worse people, like stalin, but that still leaves plenty of evil. he murdered millions of civilians after forcing them into worse then slave conditions, and sending many more millions to die at war. he was very evil.
his birthday is April, 20th