The debate "Hitler wasn't a particularly evil man. I'm not saying his actions were ok but we all make mistakes" was started by
April 11, 2019, 8:21 pm.
17 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 41 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
chrissurvivor posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 7 arguments, JDAWG9693 posted 2 arguments, historybuff posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
chrissurvivor, sagarparab, MADHURA and 14 visitors agree.
Alfredogutierrez, Nemiroff, awkward_silence, JDAWG9693, historybuff, Leftist_Tears and 35 visitors disagree.
Fair enough. Maybe selfish wasn't the correct word to use. The concept I am going for is more "only concerned with your own group". Perhaps that is more tribalism than selfishness. All humans have some level of selfishness. But Hitler was willing to exterminate entire ethic groups (not only the jews, also handicapped people, Slavs etc) to benefit his own perceived ethnic group.
dont you think the recent spread of consumerism may be increasing the modern levels of selfishness, a short term change that has nothing to do with evolution?
it's just a tiny bit longer then human memory, and may seem like the eternal norm.
agreed with your Hitler part.
however is selfishness evolutionary benefitial? and is it selfishness if you are looking out for others who "look like you". (I don't think appearance is the factor as warring European and Asian city states have shown, it is relationship).
sure there is the us vs them. but selfishness doesn't care about us, he betrays us to benefit him, and him"self" only. this is counter evolutionary, as we are a social pack species. cooperation and sharing is how we evolved. selfishness, with clinical exceptions, is learned from the environment. most people are not inherently selfish imo.
I agree that people are selfish. It is evolutionary to look after yourself and people who are like you. But hitler's evil wasn't entirely self serving. Scape goating the jews definitely helped him in his rise to power. But once he was in power, he didn't need to kill them. He could have just persecuted them a bit and and ruled just fine.
He killed them because he wanted to. It didn't further his cause by that point. In fact, towards the end of the war he actually pulled resources away from fighting the war to speed up the killing of the Jews because he wanted to kill them all before the war ended. At that point he is actually undermining his own self interesting to murder innocent civilians.
I would love to disagree on *inherent* selfishness, but let's put a pin on that.
even assuming most people are inherently selfish, and would trip someone up to get ahead... is that an all or nothing where they would be willing to trip up the elderly, handicapped, or young children? does Inherent selfishness equate to mass murder, systemic genocide, and propagation of war?
I do not think Hitler was in any way average. He was a monster. and the existence of (very slightly) worse monsters, doesnt take away from his monstrosities.
I would agree with that. But, I would also say that people are, for the most part, inherently selfish
I believe evil men more actively seek power, and are more willing to do more dirty tricks to achieve it. thus leadership is often not representative and why we need more institutional safeguards against strongmen.
so you think most people would murder millions given the chance? dark.
I disagree big time.
I think that he was as good as the average man in his day who simply came into much more power than the average man
the voting on this thread is disturbing
I believe there are worse people, like stalin, but that still leaves plenty of evil. he murdered millions of civilians after forcing them into worse then slave conditions, and sending many more millions to die at war. he was very evil.
his birthday is April, 20th