Homework should be banned

August 12, 2015, 11:56 am

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The debate "Homework should be banned" was started by ibrahim on August 12, 2015, 11:56 am. 41 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 138 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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3 years, 9 months ago

I am in high school right now, and having no homework... My parents generally cannot help me with it. My school day runs from 7:30 am to 2:15 am, giving an hour and 15 minutes of class instruction for four classes that switch each semester, plus 30 minutes in a study hall period. I disagree that homework should be banned, because what has been proven again and again is that practice makes perfect. Reciting information on any given subject is vital to your ability to understand it. Homework teaches students that they have to make their own effort outside of school.

A good way of dealing with homework would be to define it and take steps based on that. I'll talk about math. I am in a college math course right now, my parents are not much help. To me, homework is meant to be extra practice, providing a variety of problems to help a student hone the his skills. It should not be graded based on accuracy. During practice, such as homework, students have to make mistakes; that is how they learn. A teacher may grade it just based on completion, in order to ensure that his students are making their own effort to do well and learn the material. But he should always go over it and take any questions, showing students where they made a mistake and explaining the right way to do it.

Homework such as essays or projects for any class help to develop work ethic, writing skills, and again demonstrate the students desire to succeed. If homework was banned, it would take time away from the student being able to work problems out on his own.

If you don't understand something, and even the homework is giving you trouble, you ask for extra help. You take initiative. Maybe that's getting extra tutoring from your teacher during study hall or after school, or maybe from a friend. If you truly want to be successful, then you will do anything in your power to make sure you are where you want to be.

3 years, 10 months ago

I am in high school right now, and having no homework... My parents generally cannot help me with it. My school day runs from 7:30 am to 2:15 am, giving an hour and 15 minutes of class instruction for four classes that switch each semester, plus 30 minutes in a study hall period. I disagree that homework should be banned, because what has been proven again and again is that practice makes perfect. Reciting information on any given subject is vital to your ability to understand it. Homework teaches students that they have to make their own effort outside of school.

A good way of dealing with homework would be to define it and take steps based on that. I'll talk about math. I am in a college math course right now, my parents are not much help. To me, homework is meant to be extra practice, providing a variety of problems to help a student hone the his skills. It should not be graded based on accuracy. During practice, such as homework, students have to make mistakes; that is how they learn. A teacher may grade it just based on completion, in order to ensure that his students are making their own effort to do well and learn the material. But he should always go over it and take any questions, showing students where they made a mistake and explaining the right way to do it.

Homework such as essays or projects for any class help to develop work ethic, writing skills, and again demonstrate the students desire to succeed. If homework was banned, it would take time away from the student being able to work problems out on his own.

If you don't understand something, and even the homework is giving you trouble, you ask for extra help. You take initiative. Maybe that's getting extra tutoring from your teacher during study hall or after school, or maybe from a friend. If you truly want to be successful, then you will do anything in your power to make sure you are where you want to be.

3 years, 10 months ago

I can understand saying that we should reduce homework, or limit the amount given, but in all of that research I didn't see anyone mentioning a successful education system that banned homework altogether.

3 years, 10 months ago

Just in case you don't feel like reading everything because I know it was a lot: in my humble opinion, 2 hours, or even one, spent working, stressing out, and away from things you actually enjoy, is not worth the 2 extra points on a test.

3 years, 11 months ago

But the issue is students are given bad grades just because they don't completely understand something that was just talked about for the first time 5 hours earlier.
And as far as not having enough time, why not make the school day or school year longer?
Hong Kong, who is #2 in education, has a school calendar running from Sep. to mid July, with approximately 5 weeks of breaks.
Taiwan, who's #4, runs from Sep. throughout June with about 1 month of breaks, and the day runs from 7:30 to 4.
But this is about whether or not homework should be assigned. The OECD did a studt recently and found that more homework only helped if the education system relied on it. While the US averages 6 hours a week for homework and Singapore averages 9, increasing homework in the US actually lowered math scores by about 3 points. There was also a trend that in other countries for rich vs poor, and in the US, white vs black, the former spent more time on homework and had better test grades, but this may not be because of the homework. It could be because they're more likely to get supplementary books, computer access, tutors, and to have better educated parents. Another study, testing homework versus none, found that with homework, test scores did go up for math, but had no effect on history, english, or science.
And in this article,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-homework-myth/201211/homework-unnecessary-evil
Its pointed out that when research is done carefully, the best correlation you get is a couple more points on a test and NO effect on average grades, which is hardly worth the time.
In a 2014 Stanford study on how much homework was too much, it was found that students spending more than 1.5 hours a night suffered from sleep deprivation, headaches, and exhaustion, had less time for friends, family, and hobbies, and 56% of students said that homework was a primary stressor, with

3 years, 11 months ago

Practice in class is insufficient to master a subject. There is just not enough time in a school day. That is why students are assigned work to do independently. By saying that asking students to take am active role in learning is placing undue stress on them is to insult the vast majority of students who either do their homework, or do enough to understand the material.

School is also intended to prepare students for what they will experience after they graduate. Many, if not all jobs require independent work. By removing opportunities for students to learn how to manage their time, work independently, and accomplish tasks on a deadline they would enter the workforce less prepared. When those going to university arrived, they would be unprepared for the workload, and less competent in the skills and knowledge needed to succeed.

3 years, 11 months ago

I'm not saying they don't need to practice. I'm saying they shouldn't be expected to accomplish something without having access to help. And its great that you're learning Japanese on your own. I didn't say it was impossible. There are also plenty of people who are great at math and science. But there are people who struggle as well. And reducing these people's grades isn't fair if they don't have any access to help with things they don't understand. I'm not denying that they need to practice, but you can practice in class. You can give everyone an assignment in class and they first ask nearby classmates for help, then the teacher.

3 years, 11 months ago

It's interesting that you bring up things that many people have taught themselves through hard work and practice as things you consider impossible to learn without a teacher to hold your hand. I am in the process of learning Japanese, and am doing so on my own. I am by no means proficient, but I am learning. You seem to miss the flaw that keeps being brought up. How could getting less practice benefit anyone at any of those tasks? No one is suggesting that teachers not help students learn, you are saying that students don't need to practice to become proficient at things, which is ridiculous.

3 years, 11 months ago

Ok firstly, it doesn't mean you need more practice by yourself, it means you need clarification, and who better to get that from than your teacher? Secondly, I'd like to clarify something. When I said 4 or 5 tests, I meant in a semester block schedule like my high school did it. This was four 1.5 long classes each day for half the year, then a different 4 the second half. If the school has all the same classes all year, then more tests would be needed. You can't expect to improve in something by yourself that you don't understand. Do you know Japanese or Afrikaans or Russian? Do you really think you could become fluent in this if you don't understand their grammatical structures and don't have anyone to help you with the grammar? Do you think you could fix a car if you don't understand how an engine and motor work and don't have anyone to help you and clarify it? Do you think you could program a robot, even to do something simple like go forward, if you don't understand how code works and have no one to clarify? You can read articles and watch videos on all of these things, but if you don't understand it, and no clarification is made, then you can't ever expect to be decent at it.

3 years, 11 months ago

So you think 1/2 hour every few weeks is enough time for every student to master each subject? That would not replace practicing every night. If it takes you 2 hours to do those 15 problems, that means you need more practice, not less.

Furthermore, by reducing the tests teachers will not know what the students understand and what they don't for months. They will move on and by the time they realize what some students didn't understand the students will be so far behind that they may not be able to catch up.

3 years, 11 months ago

It's not like that. From an outside perspective it may not seem like an overburden. You may have 15 problems to do for math homework but if you don't understand the concept then completing this can take forever. And it doesn't have to reduce practice either. It is common for teachers to give weekly or almost weekly tests. Instead, you could only give 4 or 5 tests for the year, and the day you would've given tests before would be a day for review and clarification on the past week's lessons. We need our teachers to be able to help us when we need help. You can waut until the test to figure out whether or not we can do it on our own.

3 years, 11 months ago

So your position is that since homework can cause stress we should ban it altogether and thus lower the grade of nearly all students as they will no longer receive the practice to master skills? How will failing to master skills and having lower marks be less damaging to self esteem than homework?

3 years, 11 months ago

This is trial and error learning. If they are not able to complete the given task, or if they go wrong they learn from their mistakes. Here, we are not talking about over - burdening them with home works, even after doing their tasks, they do get time to relax and everything.

3 years, 11 months ago

I didn't say he was going to wage a war, but it can seem that serious, especially with the pressure that is placed on people to get good grades and go to college. In my hometown, you can drive around, and the signs by the road at all of the elementary schools say things like "we're college bound." I mean these kids are 10 years and younger. You can't give them a little time to relax? And not being able to complete your work can make you feel stupid, and the more often this happens, the more often you believe it. This creates a cycle: if you truly believe you are stupid, you put less effort into learning, making you have more trouble with your work in the future. I think it would be better if there was no homework, and instead more teaching was done in the class.

3 years, 11 months ago

A student gets frustrated and gets a headache due to homework and it adds stress to his life? He's not going to wage a war against the world by his own. Homeworks actually enhance the child's thinking process and if allowed to do on his own, his ability to take responsibility. Banning education may seem an excellent idea to a 6-year old school going boy because he would get an extra hour to play, but later you realise that homeworks are actually important.

3 years, 11 months ago

It adds stress to the student's life. Especially with older students, parents usually aren't able to help, so if the student doesn't really understand the day's material one of two things usually happens: the student gets frustrated, gets a headache, and sometimes spends 2 hours on an assignment that wasn't meant to take more than 30 minutes or they simply don't do it. I personally was in the academically gifted program at my school and I've done both of these more than a few times. I can only imagine those who truly struggled with academics. The more often you spend 2 hours on the "easy assignments," the lower their academic confidence gets. If they decide not to do it at all, then they see how easy that is and do it more and more often, lowering their grade which creates stress lower in the year. Even if they choose the first option, and the homework isn't graded problem for problem, a lot of teachers move on to the next topic by the next day, so if the student didn't understand during the homework, there's a good chance they won't understand on the test either, which creates stress later in the year.

3 years, 11 months ago

why should homework be banned? pray tell.

3 years, 11 months ago
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