The debate "How is Black pride aloud but saying White pride is considered racist" was started by
November 27, 2015, 10:39 am.
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AstroSpace posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
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AstroSpace, are you proud to be American? I believe from debating with you elsewhere that you are. That is not racist or in any way offensive, it is patriotic. If Americans could develop an identity since the founding of the nation, why should it be unreasonable that black Americans formed their own identity? As historybuff says, they were not considered truly part of society for many years and by the time they were given equal rights that identity had been firmly established. When Martin Luther King gave his famous speech to an enormous crowd, they didn't associate themselves with Nigeria or Ethiopia. They were American but they were also black and tired of that being considered a bad thing.
the point is that after centuries of oppression in America black people stopped being Nigerian or Moroccan or whatever they were. but they couldn't truly become American either because Americans didn't accept them as equals. as a result being black in America became a class and a society of its own. so white people can be proud of their heritage (german, English or whatever) but they never developed a "white" culture. they developed the American culture. but since blacks weren't included in that culture they developed their own. that is why there is no such thing as white pride.
Dave, you're forgetting that I never said blacks need to have separate prides. I said that by historybuff's logic, blacks can't all have one collective pride. Also, not all countries from Africa were taken as slaves. We didn't just land on Africa and throw some nets over some black dudes and take em home. Africans sold their own to white men, and at the peak of slavery, only 1.6% of North Americans owned slaves. That's not nearly enough to destroy each negro's heritage. Blacks actually owned black slaves too.
By that argument you should have voted against the topic because white is not a culture either. Ireland and England each have cultures, but white does not.
There cultures of those who were brought over as slaves has a great deal in common, and they were forced to band together due to being repressed by society. Much of their heritage was stolen from them due to it being repressed, so they banded together and this created a new culture. Had they fragmented into Nigerian, Ethiopian and other nationalities, and then from there into ever smaller subdivisions, they would have been easier to ignore since each group would stand alone. That is what brought about the pride in being black, and that is why it is viewed differently than people who take pride in being white.
Black pride can mean the same thing historybuff. Black isn't a culture, because you must have Nigerian pride, Ethiopian pride, Moroccan pride. What you said makes no sense.
Im proud of my heritage and identity because im white. I like country music, I live in the suburbs, im proud of my heritage. So am I a racist? No. Do I claim my race is better? No. You assume whites cant have common culture. Now are you saying that blacks are all the same because of their color? Because the ideas of South Africa are not the same as Uganda or Nigeria. The ideas of Scots and Germans are not the same either, yet we assimilate and are white guys in America. Does this devalue our culture?
what is the black culture in North America?
because white isn't a culture. there is German culture, British culture, Irish culture etc. all of these are white peoples. so saying you are proud of being white can only mean a racial term. black in North America is its own culture. it has developed over a long time. it is distinct. when someone says they have black pride it isn't just a racial statement it is a support for their culture. when you say you have white pride you aren't supporting your culture, you are supporting only your race.