Humans are not from earth

wmd
June 3, 2015, 1:07 pm

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The debate "Humans are not from earth" was started by wmd on June 3, 2015, 1:07 pm. 12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 24 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

wmd posted 2 arguments, danielle posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
soullesschicken posted 2 arguments, I_Voyager posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.

wmd, danielle, rishab, Amanurl, KiwiSheepTrainer and 7 visitors agree.
soullesschicken, PsychDave, I_Voyager, Raydiff3r, toughgamerjerry, eka_zulaikha, Kirito, amanofprogress, KimUri, thatmathewguy, sabrina, TransPanTeen, Tristanzee and 11 visitors disagree.

I_Voyager
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What do you think about those simulations that demonstrated early earth conditions could produce self-assembling RNA structures?

4 years, 5 months ago
I_Voyager
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12. We lack natural defenses against large predators

Our intelligence is our natural defense. Predators aren't often risk takers... Two baboons can chase off one tiger even though they may not be able to kill it. Most predators are opportunists. Social animals thrive because there's too many of them to be assaulted. We did that AND we were tool makers. We developed hunting. We cooked our food. Modern tribal groups can range from hundreds to thousands. It's reasonable to assume our neolithic ancestors and even earlier had this advantage too.

13. We're destroying the environment

The first successful tree species also almost ended all life on earth with global warming. Their bark was inedible to the various bacteria of the time, so when they died they didn't rot. Their corpses littered the ground. Over the hundreds of millions of years they became a thick layer of coal I think.

14. The technological leap from protohumans to modern day is just too great

I don't see how. I've seen old stone flakes and axes. It doesn't take much to go from that to bronze working. Some lightning cracks open a rock with ore in it, we see that afterwards some of the ore has become a melted ooze, and later see that it becomes a hardened shiny stuff. Then we go out of our way to get small amounts and work it enough to learn certain fundamentals, pass them onto our children and in relatively short order viola - early metal craftsmanship.

15. We suffer from a host of chronic illness.

It certainly sucks that we do. But all life forms experiences sicknesses of one kind more than another.

4 years, 5 months ago
I_Voyager
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1. The sun hurts our eyes

I presume what's meant here is we're not adapted well enough to the sun, so we cane from elsewhere. It doesn't necessarily follow that life that naturally evolved on earth would be able to look at the sun, if it takes well-designed glasses or plastics to protect our eyes. Indeed most stars are bigger than ours (iirc).

2. The sun kills us (gives us skin cancer)

We die. It makes sense that radiation kills us. I don't see how this lends to us not coming from earth. Other life dies from skin cancer I assume.

3. Some people suffer from seasonal affective disorder (SAD)

I certainly do. That can just be explained by evolving in the savannas of Africa where there's a constancy of light. SAD happens in wintery places where you're suddenly deprived of sunlight, which gives you vitamin D. I know from personal experience that taking supplements+-- in winter helps.

4. We commonly suffer from bad backs

I presume this means we're not adapted to gravity. Maybe standing itself is something we're ill adapted to due to being a recent adaption. Most life doesn't stand straight... Our cousins preferred walking on four limbs. Also makes birth easier. Our birthing is harder due to standing.

5. We have 223 apparently unique genes

This is interesting, but not an explanation of our alien origin.

6. There no 'missing link' the fossil record

Indeed there's no missing link fossil. We have a pretty good line of evolution traced. What we're missing is far less important to the problem than what we have, which is much.

7. We lack the ability to sense the Earth's magnetic fields (and use to get a sense of direction)

I don't think all life on earth has this ability.

8. We lack body hair

Maybe you do. I don't. I'm pretty hairy.

9. Some people suffer from hay fever and asthma

There may be more recent explanations for the various allergies such as over exposure to chemicals in water and the like. Asthma may be due to sedentary life styles.

10. We like eating tasty food that is sometimes bad for us

Dogs and cats can also become spoiled so they'll only eat the really tasty food instead of the crappy healthy food. Juno yells at everyone when we don't give her real chicken.

11. We breed too much, resulting in overpopulation

Most life will do this when there isn't a predator to keep them in check. It's a major problem. Kill off a predator, watch the pray species explode and eat all the plants, then starve and wither.

4 years, 5 months ago

I believe life didn't start on earth at all. I think the first living organism came in a comet to the earth. But I find Ellis Siver's arguments intriguing and I wanted to see the different opinions on this topic.

4 years, 5 months ago

finally an interesting debate, and this is one thats really interesting! I actually did a project about Mars and the possibility of life once existing there and one of the really interesting theories that people had was that life evolved on mars, hence the possible evidence on mars such as river valleys and possible buildings and statues. The theory stated that the 'humans' or whatever intelligent life existed there for whatever reason had to leave the planet and arrived on earth however the environment wasn't quite what they expected and they all died, however elements from their decomposing bodies helped to kick-start evolution on earth. Obviously there's lots of holes in this theory but i wouldn't completly throw it out I would say it's definitely a possibility.
As I have said on previous debates I'm all about science, I do biology and so evolution I definitely believe in but where evolution started I'm open to suggestions.

4 years, 5 months ago

Sorry *humans

4 years, 5 months ago

Question: Do you believe hams were placed here thousands of years ago?

4 years, 5 months ago

According to U.S. echologist Ellis Siver, humans don't come from earth, and he listed some of the reasons in his book.

Here are some of them;

1. The sun hurts our eyes
2. The sun kills us (gives us skin cancer)
3. Some people suffer from seasonal affective disorder (SAD)
4. We commonly suffer from bad backs
5. We have 223 apparently unique genes
6. There no 'missing link' the fossil record
7. We lack the ability to sense the Earth's magnetic fields (and use to get a sense of direction)
8. We lack body hair
9. Some people suffer from hay fever and asthma
10. We like eating tasty food that is sometimes bad for us
11. We breed too much, resulting in overpopulation
12. We lack natural defenses against large predators
13. We're destroying the environment
14. The technological leap from protohumans to modern day is just too great
15. We suffer from a host of chronic illness.

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4 years, 5 months ago
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