The debate "Humans need to expand away from Earth as much as possible." was started by
March 13, 2017, 4:54 pm.
8 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 9 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Pugsly posted 3 arguments, ototoxic posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
ototoxic, human, Pugsly, sickboyblonde, Najam1, Diogenes_of_Sinope and 2 visitors agree.
thereal, historybuff, redstar, EthanTReilly and 5 visitors disagree.
We can keep this planet as healthy as physically possible, and we'll still eventually be wiped out by the Sun. I want us to fix this planet, for OUR sake, and I want us to get as far from it for our SPECIES sake.
the only point in which we will have to absolutely leave is the death of our sun or some equally cosmic event. the technology needed for either interstellar travel or effective terraforming is way far beyond our capabilities. if we don't solve the current issues with our only home planet now, we will never make it to the colonization of other worlds. we will die here.
neil degrasse tyson addresses this quite often. his argument is that spreading out for the survival of our species is a fantastical notion. the argument is that cleaning up our earth, detecting and destroying asteroids, etc... whatever problems we need to solve here, is easier to do than it is to settle another planet.
he gives the examples of mars and teraforming. if we can teraform mars, then we could technically teraform earth back to healthy levels, if we can figure out a viable method of faster than light speed to get to planets further than our solar system, we could have figured out renewable energy pretty easily, etc....
the argument for space exploration is the exploration in and of itself. the technological advances that trickle down to civilian use is nice. the exploitation of resources is also an interesting approach (rare metals aren't rare in space). so mining asteroids made of diamond, gold, etc...
human survival however, probably won't be dependent on us leaving this planet. the technologies necessary for us to have a truly interstellar civilization would mean we would have solved most existential problems to our kind.
if we can't survive as a species on this planet, then why would we deserve to spread and destroy other ones?
we need to learn how to live and not destroy our surroundings first.
Ad that is a valid point, but it is understandable for people to feel that their tax dollars should be used to benefit them.
The point of spreading out isn't to help the people already living on this planet, it's to ensure that our species lives on. I want us to work on interstellar travel equal to fixing the planet.
There are valid arguments against it.
One would be that instead of funding long term research on space we should put that money into renewable energy research and studying how we can repair the damage we've already done to the planet. Even if we develop interstellar travel, the vast majority of humanity will not be able to afford to leave, so focusing on spreading out from earth at the expense of other possible avenues of research benefits a few and ignores the many.
This is why I sometimes feel we need to start having IQ test to see if you can vote.
And unfortunately are a lot of people who don't think that is the case.
Well if we sit here we're all going to die
There are a lot of people who think we shouldn't, that it'd be a waste of money.
Why would anyone be against this? we know for a fact we can't stay on this rock much longer. we have two generations left then we're all f***ed and it's game over.