I believe in separation of church and state its time we stop letting religion dictate our laws

January 21, 2015, 2:02 pm

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The debate "I believe in separation of church and state its time we stop letting religion dictate our laws" was started by SpiritofDeath on January 21, 2015, 2:02 pm. 31 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

SpiritofDeath posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
Vigilante posted 3 arguments, river93x posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

SpiritofDeath, Gurkavitch, username_gracie, Redapples, Loui, mdavis1309, cocky_queen, Aakanksha, docaung, Ornes, PsychDave, strawberryfieldsforever, Mriduljain, Sosocratese and 17 visitors agree.
wmd, kennediharris515, Vigilante, DavidStuff777, Kirito, river93x and 5 visitors disagree.

You act as if these laws of ours have direct influence from the bible, these are nothing more then ideals that men and women of faith had put forth for the people to vote on and if it is worthy to be called a law it is passed and placed into action. So ultimately religion does not dictate our laws. And you speak about how the gays are almost singled out and shamed because of religion, but many of our Founding fathers did not believe in god at all or were just without religion and based many laws on their moral beliefs. They said the same thing you did that we don't need a book to tell us to live, these same men also passed slavery into law and persecuted the blacks for years and it wasn't until a man, Abraham Lincoln with a heavy religious up bringing and an understanding respect for everyones beliefs that any progress to amend those laws were made. Whether or not you believe in the bible, you cant deny theirs a basic moral structure we all should be able to live by. History has shown us time and time again that men with power when given free reign with only their moral beliefs have abused it at the cost of many innocents. I know the church is not without its corruption but again these are all men that choose to follow their own moral guidelines. As far as religion stunting the growth of science goes it is well known that certain religions speak openly against certain forms of research, christianity being one of the louder voices but again it is up to the people to vote on whats appropriate to explore with. Such things as stem cell research isn't just frowned upon by people of faith, many people without religion still think its going to far. So religion has no direct effect on any of our laws passed.

4 years, 9 months ago

As i have already stated why do we need a book at all to tell us what our morals should be? We don't need the bible or any religious book to tell us that killing is wrong. We as humans even with religion make up our own morals without any influence from the good book. We need separation because look at how much it has divided us..Gay people are constantly berated all because a stupid book says it's wrong. Basing a law off of that book is wrong because not everyone follows that book nor believes in it. Another thing because of religion and its influence on our laws it slows down our scientific advancement because certain things that scientist want to do are considered "playing God". We do not need religion around to set morals for us or to give us ideas for laws.

4 years, 9 months ago

well done!! my point exactly!

4 years, 9 months ago

While i believe in separation of church and state to a point, I think its best that our laws follow the moral guidelines that religion offers rather then the morals of any set group that could easily abuse the power. The question is if we remove religious influence from our laws who's moral guidelines do we follow? For true separation of church and state would require a government that we could trust 100% which as nation we should never put that much faith into anyhow. Even our founding fathers knew their will never be any form of government without its corruption. So I ask again without religious influence in our laws who's moral compass do we dean worthy enough to follow?

4 years, 9 months ago

well if you guys were to start your own law..... what would you base it on?
if you don't have a guideline than you have no limit.

4 years, 9 months ago

Also in the constitution it clearly states there must be a separation of church and state.

4 years, 9 months ago

Vigilante

Tell me where in the constitution of the United States it says we must follow the laws that religion gives us? Also people don't need a book to tell us what our morals should be. We all come up with our own. The only thing about religion that the constitution states is that we have the freedom of it. It doesn't at all say that the bible or whatever book is law.

4 years, 9 months ago

haha haha!! where would you find your guidelines for those laws then??
your morals will plummet and you will have no structure.

4 years, 9 months ago
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