The debate "I'm agnostic try to convert me to christianity or atheism" was started by
December 8, 2017, 3:04 am.
13 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 13 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.
fishermo20 posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
dalton7532 posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.
fishermo20, Nemiroff, blue_rayy, MCFission and 9 visitors agree.
victoria, Kulu, dalton7532, afterlife27, taha, nameruben and 7 visitors disagree.
yeah, that was about religion....
either way, I always head closer to center on nuance. I've always said the people of the right have valid concerns, just stupid solutions, and I try to address their concerns and priorities in my solutions, but my overall general solutions are pretty left. I don't hate the rich for example, unless they are trying to use their money as speech ($$$ are very loud).
I'm pro business for example, but I feel our problem currently is not enough demand (due to income inequality, demand is there but buying power for the demand is not. I don't think tax cuts to businesses will do anything to address that.) But bipartisan nuance is usually lost when we dig in on specific points of contention.
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don't think I ever said that about politics, or relgion, or holy texts. god is the only untouchable. he is faith regardless of which way you believe. however, I believe it takes much more faith to believe something specific than to dismiss it.
Nemiroff, at religion and politics. "there is no decisively valid argument for either" Never heard you say that before.
and what do you see as truth?
I'm assuming your a theist, are you a Christian, Jew, Muslim? do you believe in a literal bible? do you believe the bible is a full technical text that involves not only moral guidance but also a full and accurate description of creation and workings of the world? (I think that last part is completely ridiculous and not the intended purpose of the text at all)
prove Hebrew language was created by man , and if you conclude complexity is far to great.
there lies a path for you. neither the blue pill or the red pill . the system you follow is the constant rejection of an idea you want to belive is true but can't imagine logically, yet you don't allow your self the possibility of realization of something greater at play. if I was wrong you wouldn't have felt the need to post what you posted. ...
you think so? which topics?
Nemiroff, you seem to have drifted more in the middle for a lot of arguments. What happened?
no love for my position :(
another fair point
if you are determine on being agnostic and are constantly trying to defend against such attempts how do u expect someone to change you?
as far as which way to believe, there is no decisively valid argument for either. it's faith. science gives us an alternative, natural, explanation, but that order could have still been created by god. science certainly contradicts literal readings of most holy books, but not the idea of a god himself.
it's all faith and gut instinct, and saying idk (aside from being logically invalid in an either/or, A/notA question) is kinda a cop out and nothing else.
why are you agnostic? if you don't plan on converting to either do you just plan on saying idk for the rest of your life? are you expecting new evidence to appear definitively proving or disproving the divine? or are you just scared of divine retribution if you affirmatively reject it and are wrong?
If you are unsure of something, can you say you believe in it? Atheist literally means "not theist" so if your not a theist, you are an atheist. even if you are currently unsure.
I totally understand and agree with your argument. I dont plan on converting to either. This is more of me just wanting understand where both sides come from. I could have phrased it better in my topic sentence. Thank you for your response.
gotta keep you engaged :D
why did YOU reply me?
Why would I try to convince you? You should find out what you believe, then come here and debate here and see if it stands up. If you want to figure out what you want to believe, pick a side, play devil;s advocate and see which one stands up better. Then, make your decision.
agnostism is not a logically valid belief system. since you cannot say "I believe in god" you therefore do not believe in God.
If you aren't sure about the existence of the giant platypus, then, for the moment at least, you don't believe it exists.
What is the difference between an agnostic who isn't sure and an atheist open to new details and change?
before we begin , please start by saying 'Tha gaol agam losa'