The debate "If God created the earth and humans and there is evil in the world is God evil" was started by
December 23, 2017, 12:38 pm.
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Evil exists because Satan fell from heaven and was sentenced to hell, and he has made it his duty to corrupt the world, because he is the ruler of this world. He corrupt human minds and turns them to evil thoughts he knows will destroy them, but God has over come this world and the Devil will perish in the lake of fire on the final day.
That is like saying if a parent created a child and the child became evil, then the parent must be evil. Also, how would people know what good is if evil did not exist? People should not blame others when they have a choice.
You cannot limit the Almighty God to only one book on this planet. He is not locked in the Bible you fool. You are the one who can be limited to a book that wasn't published or printed until a couple of hundred years ago. You are the fool who is limited to only living a maximum of 130 years.
The only god who owns the entire planet is never trapped in one book because you say so.
The only god who owns the entire planet never had to rest on the 7th day because the preceding 6 days made him tired.
You only lie and try to lock the Almighty God in the Bible because you are an ally of homosexual men and you are desperate to force all men to share your curse of being allowed only one wife before you die and go to hell and live forever. At your home in hell, none of the men ever have 4 happy wives, 3 happy wives, or even 2 happy wives. At your home in hell, none of the men ever have healthy biological children of their own either. You cannot bring hell to Earth, but be patient, soon you will go where no man is allowed happy wives and healthy children.
I can gladly explain how we came to the age in the billions, but first I would like to know where in the bible it says that creation happened thousands of years ago.
You're wrong neighbor. Please explain why you said the Big Bang occurred several billions of years ago. The God of the Bible, the One True God, is a personable God who loves us dearly. Explaining "when" He created our universe isn't a "complex" concept. He tells us He made our universe several thousands of years ago. The Big Bang happened several thousand years ago :)
but the thing is our study of the big bang has shown that it happened a very very very long time ago, far longer than the biblical estimates made by human guesses and assumptions.
perhaps god told our ancestors it was created a very long time ago and they, in their puny imaginations, figured he meant tens of thousands of years, cause what could be longer then that. the concept of billion or even million could not occur to them.
I like to compare god explaining things to our ancestors who had just figured out cities like trying to explain physics to a 2 year old. why bother? just say it's good and move on. that's the bible. him talking down to humans we ourselves wouldn't respect much today. it's main purpose, was to inform the way we live, and make us better. not reveal secrets of creation. it just glossed over that quickly.
humans have often immortalized real events into poetry and song, even several motion pictures. just because it's poetry doesn't mean it's false, but it is likely simplified and not technical.
"wives and healthy children"
what does that mean?? Are you being silly? You're right to say God didn't have "one" man write the Bible. God had several :) it's not a lie. And the Bible is a compilation. None of them contradict and are error free and cohesive. They tell us the Gospel from beginning to end :)
The Big Bang did happen. That's what happened when God said, "Let there be light. And there was light." Science is the study of Creation and science testifies to Scripture. The Bible doesn't confuse us on "day" :) the days mentioned at the Beginning are literal days. God created time. A day consists of "morning" and an "evening" So they are literals days. And no it's not poetry. It's the history of the world.
You simply want to lie about the Bible being a compilation.
The Almighty God had no man sit down and write that book, not even Jesus.
It's only a lie you tell so that you can make sure you die before anyone sees you with wives and healthy children of your own, and you use it to justify preventing other men from being seen alive with wives and healthy children of their own before they die.
but with so little detail, it could mean literally everything. If I can convince you that the whole day thing is not literal, then the whole process could have taken any form, perhaps even big bang and evolution.
why do you think the term day is literal? would god even have the same concept as "day"? if you believe he is beyond time, then what does day even mean? considering the shortness, and the rythme scheme, wouldn't it seem more like poetry than history?
What is your conviction that the Quran was written by Allah?
The Almighty God had men produce the Quran you hate so much.
He never told any man on this planet to write the Bible.
You lie about it being a compilation because you never want anyone to see you alive with wives and healthy children of your own, and you have the same false hope for all men.
You want all men to join you in never being seen alive with wives and healthy children of their own before they die as you will, and you hope they burn in hell with you forever as well, but you shall fail!
God didn't write the Bible, He had men write it.
Lol. To your comment about detail. To know the origin of all things in Creation, is very practical and purposeful. Not at all impractical. God tells us what He made. You only need simple words to communicate that. Those things, He made, consist of numerous details. And that is what the gift of science is for. To discover the details of what God has made :) and the whole Bible is historical. Every book, every chapter :)
A fool limits and pretends the Almighty God wrote and speaks in only one book on the Earth.
A fool pretends that Jesus himself, or even the Almighty God sat down at a table om the Earth and wrote the Bible.
The same fool who would be killed in China for trying to force Chinese people to celebrate Christmas, or change their calendar to the year 2018.
The same fool who would be killed for trying to force Muslims in Mecca to change the date on the calendar to 2018.
yeah, but how detailed?
us history for example in 3rd grade we learn like 4 dates. 8th grade is alot more detailed, and college classes probably have whole classes for a specific decade.
all the bible says is:
"he made it, it was good"
that sounds like the kindergarten version. it has zero detail. it is useless from a practical standpoint.
whatever the accuracy is, it's missing a TON of detail.
Only God is Perfect, neighbor. He most certainly can, will and has made things that break. That is not imperfect of Him to do so. Only God can be Perfect. I used the word "perfect" to describe Creation and Adam and Eve because I wanted to use a word that meant "good and pure." Notice how in Genesis, after creating the heavens and the earth, God says "good and very good." And Adam and we're without sin. They were pure. God gave free will to Adam and Eve. So they can choose to love Him. The consequences of disobeying Him is death. The cosmos and all its contents therein were in subjugation to Adam and Eve. When they became imperfect, so did the universe.
The Bible is the story of Creation. This includes history, science and the Gospel. Science is a gift to us from God. Science means, "the study of all things in creation." Why would you think God doesn't want us to study creation?
perfect beings don't make mistakes.
perfect beings don't make things that break.
yeah, the total description of the creation of the complex universe and everything in it was explained in about 5 sentences. I'm sure that's the full description of how everything works and no further inquiry is required.... lol.
the bible is a moral guide, not a historical or scientific text.
Humans of Biblical times are humans of the Beginning of time. The first humans were Adam and Eve. God created the whole of creation in a 7 day period. Not over billions of years. When God first made the universe, yes things were perfect. Adam and Eve were not like you and I. They weren't "imperfect" they too were perfect.
"nature was designed by god"
God. Yes, nature was designed by God but in this comment of yours you again overlook the wording I gave you in a previous post. The universe (which includes nature) "became" broken. "Became." Meaning nature as you see it today is not how it was when God first created it.
how can imperfect beings break something made by perfection? and even if we assign blame based on our misuse of technology driving global changes, natural disasters have occurred well into our early, technologyless years, and even before we existed. how could humanity of biblical times possibly influence volcanic activity?
natural disasters are certainly nature, but nature was designed by god, and that design has spread misery and devastation throughout human existence.
I accept that human evil is necessary in a free will world, but these natural disasters need not exist.
Okay, okay. Thank you. Natural disasters exist in our universe because our universe is broken. And it's not God's fault but man's fault.
I got that. so why do they exist?
I wrote, never "meant" to exist. That doesn't nullify their existence. It's exhausting how so many debaters are not eager to learn something new, but rush into an argument ignoring key words used by their opponent. Never "meant" to exist, neighbor.
To say that because God is an almighty being and there exists evil in the world means that God is not all good is not true. We were created in Gods image but we were also given free will. the evil in this world comes from man. We commit evil deeds. I've never seen any other creature commit evil deeds, only man.
Also natural disasters are not evil... they are a part of nature without any intelligent force driving them. A tornado doesn't say "well its time that trailer park feels my wrath " and then goes for it. Also some (NOT ALL) natural disasters themselves are indirectly caused by man due to pollution and global warming.
sickness is also not an evil force. its simply a part of nature. The way I see it the evil you talk about is man and it is OUR choice.
and yet they do. how is that explained?
Did you know earthquakes and hurricanes were never meant to exist, according to the Bible.
It is not evil to be able to choose evil. Do you understand?
what about natural evil like earthquakes and hurricanes. what is the justification for the misery they cause?
certainly the only will that could be behind those is that of God.
Evil exists in the context of free will. Man can be driven by motives that are not Godly. See how this works? Also the concept of having faith in God doesn't work without humans having the free will to choose Him over things on Earth that make them feel good.
Do you know why evil exists? I can guarantee you, it's not because good exists.
without light there can't be darkness. that is a theory and one that has good footing. personally I don't know but I do wish to understand. haha. I got quite a bit to talk to God about when it's my time.
one who isn't all good isn't necessarily evil. Just like the presence of evil makes people reject a perfectly good god, why wouldn't the presence of good make you reject a completely evil god.
perhaps we were made in God's image in more ways then religion would like to admit. perhaps god also has his moments of selfishness and greed mixed with altruism and concern.
perhaps a little evil is necessary short term for a long term good we cannot understand. perhaps without evil we would not understand goodness.