The debate "If God is so loving and forgiving then why are we still suffering for the sin of Adam and Eve" was started by
January 10, 2016, 9:49 am.
18 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 16 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
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Monster posted 4 arguments, danielle posted 5 arguments, progressive posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
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Monster, danielle, progressive, numbskull, swp16, ReadyToBegin, FlyingCookie, WaspToxin, pajrc1234, SocialistRed and 8 visitors agree.
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How is he wrong? You haven't given him any reason to believe so, only a seeming-opinion.
please actually learn stuff and research before you assert false claims
to be honest I do not believe in God. n I dont believe we r suffering others sin. I believe it just a struggle of life. n humans life is the most luxurious of all living
In that case being rich isn't a problem, as long as you love God more. So why is suffering important? Jesus lived for 30 years as a normal, though pious, person travelling around and spreading God's message. He spent a brief time suffering, three days dead, then came back. Jesus spent far more time travelling and talking to people than he did suffering. Shouldn't travelling make you more like Jesus than suffering?
Also, I thought Jesus suffered for our sins. Would that not mean that we shouldn't have to? If someone is born to a Christian family who have accepted Jesus, why are they still born with sin? Their parents sins have been forgiven, so what sins are passed on to the child?
uffering makes you more likely to go to heaven because it makes you more like christ. also you have less of a chance to love material objects instead of God.
priests take a vow of poverty when they are ordained. pope francis, if you have seen lives in poverty, he would rather eat with the homeless then with congress, he stayed in small hotel rooms when he visited the US. he doesn't want any of the big expensive pope things that are offered to him. he is a great example.
as for before popes, and bishops, who had money, it may be okay, unless they love their money, and take from the church for themselves.
it's not a sin to be rich, it's a sin to love your money more then God. but how can you love money more then God if you have no money? this applies to all things, not just money
Sorry historybuff, I didn't mean to repeat you. Your post hadn't shown up when I started typing.
So the Pope and other religious leaders are reducing their chances of getting into heaven since they are all quite wealthy and lead lives full of servants? That seems strange. Why does suffering make one more likely to go to heaven?
so the Pope, who is fabulously wealthy, can't get into heaven. good to know.
it may be good as well, but a good life gives you a harder chance at heaven. for jesus says that it is harder for a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven, then a camel pass through the eye of the needle.
Jesus suffered greatly when we suffer we become more like Christ. Peter, after suffering in the name of jesus rejoiced that he suffered for God.
why can't life be good as well as heavem??
so he can let them have bad now, and good in heaven. or he could let them have good now and bad in hell. which case is better?
I just don't understand why he would let bad things happen to innocent people...
if innocent people die, and they are good innocent people, they will go to heaven and be free from all suffering. look back at my quote I gave earlier and the debate fir more explanation.
also in Luke 16:25 abraham says to the rich man in hell "Son, remember that thou did receive good things in your lifetime, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is confronted, and you are tormented"
God is just, he gives good people good things in heaven, you must remember we are not of this world, but of the next.
what would you rather have? bad things for 50 years hear, and then infinite happyness, or 80 good years on earth, and infinite pain?
If I thought God were real I would hate him!
I would hate him because he's supposedly all loving, forgiving and omnipotent but still didn't bother to stop innocent people dying! I know I've said onve before! but why would be let children get terminal cancer!! why would be let innocent people be murdered in terrorist attacks??
I just dont get it, and so far no one has said anything that makes me say "oh that's why he let them die, that's fine!'
I don't understand how you hate God for rewarding the good and punishing the bad. what should He do?
You don't even have proof of his existence. Hell creates a paradox in Christianity. Most Christians might say Christianity is about having a relationship with god/Jesus. A genuine relationship.
Well how can it be a genuine relationship? Most people are Christian so they can get to heaven. And they know if they aren't they will burn forever and ever. So are they having a relationship with god/Jesus so they can be rewarded? Or to avoid punishment. Because god is not the type of person I would like to get to know.
if God stopped caring, and taking part in the world, everything would return to the original nothingness it was before creation.
no it cant. hell is fairy tale to scare people.
so you want hell? that can be arranged.
Why do I need god. Shouldnt I be able to do things on my own without divine intervention. He created us so shouldn't he have made us self sustainable? Or does he have to hold our hand with everything we do.
Pride is the biggest sins, even other root sins come from pride. it's ok to be happy with an achievement, as long as you see God helped you, even if you don't know how.
if you work hard, that means God has given you the skills to do the job, and the stamina to keep working.
God can turn evil into good; and do other things with evil as I've explained earlier a few posts ago.
Even things that aren't altruistic can go one way or the other. If I work hard and save up and buy myself a nice car, why should I thank God for my own efforts? If I break the law and get caught, I shouldn't blame God for that either. What believers can logically blame on God are things like lightning, earthquakes, wildfires and other things referred to as "acts of God". These things are beyond our control, so blaming ourselves is pointless and, if God exists, he would be the one directing them.
Why shouldn't we be able to congratulate ourselves? If I do something good for my friend or someone I care for why should I not say to myself "you did a good thing monster, you should be proud of yourself" Is my pride wrong?
Because I think if I did a good thing and felt good about it I might want to do it again. Not because god told/wants me to. I would do it for me and for them.
You seem to try to do the opposite. Anything bad is not God but anything good must be. How is that any more logical?
humans can do no good without grace from God. but when we do good we congratulate ourselves and are selfish. when we have bad things we blame God because we don't like to blame ourselves.
ny thing goes wrong we blame god its not good
if we get something we say "I got it on my courage n my hardwork"
and if didnt get result we blame god
God does not will moral evil(sin), but he permits it, because he created man free, and because He knows also how to turn evil into good. Joseph said to his brothers "you thought evil against me, but God turned it into good" Gen. 50:20. God turned even the evil of jesus dying into the salvation of the world. By creating rational creatures with free will, God wished to confer a benefit on them, not bring sin into the world. God has given everyone sufficient grace to make out if thier freedom.
suffering and afflictions are either caused by forces of nature, such as earthquakes, or by the falt of man through the abuse of his free will, such as murder. or sent by God to punish man for doing wrong.
God permits or inflicts suffering because they are not evils in the strict sence of word, but may be the means of acquiring the greatest good, that is, eternal happiness. there are so many sufferings in the world, that a sinner may acknowledge the chastisement of God and mend his ways and not perish forever; and in order that the just may be more and more purified, and gain abundant merits and thus obtain a higher reward in heaven. If there was no suffering in the world we would forget that "we have not here a lasting city, but seek one that is to come" Hebrews 13:14.
- from Chief Truths of the Faith by fr. John laux.
If your great grandfather committed a crime, are you guilty of it? Should you be imprisoned if one of your ancestors 100 generations ago committed murder? Justify punishing us for crimes committed thousands of years ago.
I'm sorry I don't mean to offend anyone, but I am very confused about why someone who is supposed to be all loving, all powerful would let all the bad there is in the world exist? There's a great interview with Stephen fry where they ask him what he would say to God if he met him, and he said he would say "how dare you?" and hes right, how dare someone let children be killed by war, violence, diseases? how dare someone with power to stop that just let it happen? he asks what kind of a man must be God to let that happen? and I agree, if there is a God, he obviously isn't very nice??
another example of ignorance to the catholic doctrine. God is forgiving and loving, but he is also all good and just. is letting someone get away with a felony good, or just? is it even loving to those who follow the laws? God still forgives us, and that forgiveness is received in the next life; hopefully, with heaven. the amount of forgiveness God gives us, so we can go to heaven is extraordinary.
please let me know what your christian friends say to your question
Lol I'm gonna use this on my christian friends next time I see them
because religion is full of hypocrisy
Because the Christian religion cannot function without sin