If major powers build drones and robot warriors en masse I should 3D print gun drones for defense

February 20, 2015, 2:01 pm

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The debate "If major powers build drones and robot warriors en masse I should 3D print gun drones for defense" was started by I_Voyager on February 20, 2015, 2:01 pm. 24 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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I_Voyager, Wantonjon, Hollister_boy, FaZe_GhostSniper1, Haelaeif, Raydiff3r, stantinou93, judge, soullesschicken, Trance and 14 visitors agree.
liamjosephcash, PsychDave, bitman, Kirito, Egert_Clueless, LeaderOfDiscussion, Mike861 and 4 visitors disagree.

I_Voyager
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Automated drones are incredibly dangerous. Your examples are good, but even just one person could if they so wanted just set an automatic tactical algorithm to a cloud of angry drones and hit "attack". The future we're emerging into is dangerous. But the greatest dangers have often come out of nations. Nations routinely grow old and corrupt and use their means as best they can to derail the free life of people for their own interests, and as those interests become more and more intertwined with technological supremacy, so to will their ability to take our freedoms en masse and control us individually with little effort. The most valid critique of 1984 I've read could be summed up as "the power center will find "stomping on the face of humanity forever" very exhausting and will prefer to use subversive means to control people". This was true in so far as they had to rely on soldiers and police and politicians to control people. Better to have everyone on drugs, dancing, listening to pop music, watching CSI and being to oppressed by artificial scarcity to do anything more than obey or bitch. But government drones will offer them no reason not to oppress us. They will have all the power they need to be an authority without worry about resistance unless we have enough power in us to at least make oppression a challenge.

A digital world requires new ways of thinking about all these things, because all modern philosophies of power and security are based on human interaction in a social/legal framework. Now we're talking about an easy automated divide between every human interest and action. No government is either competent to protect us now nor capable of disciplining itself against our slavery. We must have the knowledge and capacity to balance things out alongside new structures that intelligently compensate against the coming dystopia.

4 years, 5 months ago

You having the knowledge isn't necessarily the problem (I don't know you so I can't say) but if this were legal, there would be a ridiculous increase in the risks to police. Gang warfare would take on a whole new dimension. Anyone who wanted to could use automated defenses to attack people. You may be able to use drones responsibly, but there are a lot of people out there who either couldn't, or would choose not to, which would put everyone in a great deal more danger.

4 years, 5 months ago

My armed city block won't fight off a concentrated attack from a military without first trying to be like a military, that is true. But combining computer systems and automated weapons give the potential to one man to match a small force if he has the money and knowledge to do so. And why should I not have the knowledge? With the way the technology is going the governments of the world are going to have a lot of knowledge and power blocked off from people by many layers of legislation. We'll be peasants defended by, and enslaved by, knightly techno-barons. Instead, I want to be free, and that won't be possible without me having some kind of control over my space and my stuff, by way of the application of knowledge.

4 years, 5 months ago

It won't make a difference either way. Your gun won't protect you from your government.

4 years, 6 months ago

By the same token, if my nation's military has stockpiles of weapons, I should too. If they have grenades and explosives, I need the same to be able to defend myself. Hell, if they have nuclear weapons, we should all keep some on hand. How else are we going to defend ourselves?

4 years, 6 months ago
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