The debate "If people stop believing in santa and the tooth fairy why do people still believe in God" was started by
December 27, 2017, 3:15 pm.
9 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 18 people are on the disagree side.
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It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Masonearl posted 4 arguments, neveralone posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 2 arguments, dbrock posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
judas, Against_eu, Berry_Good and 6 visitors agree.
neveralone, Austynbb, MetalClaw99, dbrock, viralbeats and 13 visitors disagree.
masonearl, you say you do not believe in something that you have not observed yourself..... but even that can not be true. you have not observed subatomic particles and yet you believe they exist. you have not observed evolution and yet.... you have not observed the birth of the cosmos and yet... there are so many things we believe in that we cannot physically observe ourselves. That doesn't make them any less real.
We believe in the existence of dark mater because there is strong evidence to support its existence. I choose to believe in God for the same reasons. Not only the bible. I see signs of his existence in the complexity and beauty of the universe we live in. I see overwhelming proof of His existence in kindness and love, the miracle of birth, hope etc. There is so much observable proof of His existence in our lives that we don't even regicnise it anymore.
Now comparing an almighty God to the tooth fairy, santa or the easter bunny is as accurate as comparing the contributions to science of a gender studies theorist and the contributions of Albert Einstein. Its aples and oranges.
There is a big flaw in what you wrote. Even naughty children get presents and are treated the same as "good" children. And when you wrote, "rite of passage" (regarding the tooth fairy)
xD no one ever takes it that seriously. The Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause are only if your household celebrates them. The God of the Bible, the One True God, exists regardless if you celebrate Him and will make sure all evil people are punished and not treated the same as His children.
Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are fictional characters that parents play off of in order to give their children rewards based on morality (santa) and rites of passage (tooth fairy). God rewards us based on faith. But the rewards don't come to us under our pillows or under a Christmas tree. they come in the form of peace everlasting and a sure eternity spent with Him. Hope you understand the parallel I'm getting at here.
You can definitely know for sure God is real :)
Well...quite a thing to think of! I think, it's because, we stopped receiving the presents, we stopped believing in santa. The tooth was always there and so the tooth fairy was gone in the clouds.
Wouldn't we start believing in them again if the things change? Like if we start getting gifts on Christmas Eve?
But with God, there is probably no such sure-shot way of knowing. We have to solely rely on our faith, instinct and what life throws up at us.
Santa and the tooth fairy claim ownership of 0 creatures on the Earth.
haha I don't know if sacrilege or not but it's a fair idea worth some merit. I would think it is about time we cut the metaphorical embilical cord and start acting like were full grown.
this is a concern we see ourselves. it's a problem. I like to refer to a qoute from mib on this. a person is smart, but people are stupid. that's why it's faith. he wants us to choose him.
Maybe. That would certainly explain a few things.
I believe god (and this is totally unique idea, likely sacrilege) wants us to be atheists. he wants us to grow up, make our own choices, and independently make the correct choice. he doesn't want to be worshipped (very vain imo), he wants us to enjoy his creation, and leave the world he created just alittle better then we entered it. And as long as we look to him for guidance, we are just children nagging at our parents rather than mature adults who can solve our own problems.
he provided for us in our infancy, guided us through our biblical adolescence, and now he wishes for us to be self sufficient adults as our civilization matures. he doesn't want us to make the wrong decision, but he wants us to make the decision nonetheless.
Well, he did yes. I understand that. the problem is, it's not God I just don't like religion in general because I feel like it causes too many problems. I feel like if God was real he would not want religion to be the way it is today or have this many atheists. I think he would have at least tried to appear to a few people over the past 2000 years. some people claim they have seen him and gone to heaven Etc. But what I'm saying, is that he needs to come down from the sky in a large public place and display that he is real. otherwise there's no proof.
fair enough. I'm not here to push my values on you. have you read the Bible? this is a literal question so I may know how much you might understand. God was very hands on in the Bible. but we kept messing things up essentially. you could say he is taking a more lazie fairre approach now because we're not babies needing constant help. also you should remember he gave us free will. if he starts making you do stuff does that not go against such a gift?
What I'm saying is, I can't believe in something that I've never seen, never touched, and never heard. In addition, if he was all knowing and all loving, he would have showed himself every now and then to stop the debates and countless genocides and wars created by religion. You may say that he sent prophets, angels, ect. However, that was 2000 years ago or more, in modern-day, nobody can prove these events really happened. If he was real, he would have made it more apparent to stop the conflicts by now.
thus giving the idea that God belongs with them even though your statement shows that He is set apart. I didn't mean to offend with saying it seem closed minded that was more of an observation. if you are offended I apologise. I am simply arguing why He is diff.
also your looking at it from the wrong angle.
what were santa tooth fairy ect made to do? comfort children. what was God made to do? well if made up to guide people to become better if true to help us know how we started and that He is here.
Well, the basis of my statement was that everyone believed that the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny, and Santa were real as children. As we get older we look back at these stories and realize how ridiculous they sounded. I was simpily saying that belief in God is along the same lines.
haha. quite a bit if actually put under the microscope under less vague ideas.
one book made for children another to be told as fact and for all. haha it makes me feel better to have a good president. so if we get one does that make him less real? no one is trying to prove the tooth fairy. it is well known to have been made for children. evidence for God is arguable but a diff. topic and you can at least say there is circumstantial evidence.
can you point out such inaccuracies? what would you call a statement that doesn't consider it could potentially be wrong? anyways that wasn't the main statement and was really put there as a small statement.
faith comes in degrees. like I have faith in people to do the right thing. then I have faith in God. then as a kid you can have faith in the tooth fairy or santa. faith in most of these don't require much. but something like God is a core peace you could say. something much bigger than santa tooth fairy ect.
Neveralone I disagree with your thinking. You say god requires faith implying that the tooth fairy and Santa do not. Faith is the belief in something that has no proof. So all stories fall under this category. You say its a simple story for children. Even though you're pointing out these differences that doesn't mean it makes the point any less valid. Both stories require faith. Both stories have scientific inaccuracies not allowing for the stories to be taken literally. Instead of calling the person close minded next time maybe try to see their side. Calling their argument close minded doesn't make it go away or disprove anything about it.
what is the difference between the tooth fairy and god?
both appear in books. both make people feel better simply by believing in them. both have absolutely no supporting evidence and need to be believed in purely on faith.
who knows, in 2,000 years maybe the world will be worshipping the tooth fairy instead.
simple. we believe in God and that he created us. it's faith. not some simple story for little kids. and if true why would it not be believed? this statement seems fairly closed minded.
That is a question I ask myself yet still struggle to come up with an answer. Perhaps its because the concept of the tooth fairy and Santa are more simplistic than a god might possess. This allows for the idea of Santa and the tooth fairy to be more easily expelled and denied.