The debate "If there really is a group called ISIS why are they never attacking any Trump property on the planet" was started by
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January 26, 2017, 9:33 pm.
19 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 23 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Najam1 posted 23 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 2 arguments, PsychDave posted 13 arguments, Christian posted 2 arguments, human posted 3 arguments, SalonY posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
helloceaser, smv2005, Jericho, makson and 15 visitors agree.
historybuff, PsychDave, nellie11iah, SharpHost, Christian, slipknot, human, CHuss34, SalonY, DiabolikIzzy, anu1302 and 12 visitors disagree.
& Perhaps Trumph Has got property in other planets like mars & Jupiter...& ISIS may be destroying Them.....& U dnt knw
Well I hv the best ans for u...Go and ask thm Why dont they Do so...I think Ur qus will get no ans in ths group as here is no ISIS member
your whole argument makes no sense. they are trying to attack the west as a whole. they don't target property owned by specific people.
you are claiming that because they don't use one tactic that would accomplish nothing, that they don't exist. that is stupid.
In what world of logic does it make sense that a man orders many people to attack and kill members of a so called ultra powerful undefeatable group, but it's members are completely impotent to retaliate against the one giving orders to those killing them?
Who is saying they are prohibited from doing so?
If ISIS were real they would not be prohibited from attacking Donald Trump's personal property. You are only lying.
I agree with him too.
Since I suspect he will be unable to, I will propose two scenarios that make his claims possible.
First, it is possible that Trump has been paying protection money to ISIS to keep his properties safe. This is unlikely for several reasons. First, Trump is arrogant. He is unlikely to admit he is weak, which paying would surely do. Second, ISIS is less concerned with money than many terrorist groups. They have an established financial base. Finally, ISIS is primarily run by religious extremists who believe there can be no friendship or peace between Muslims and non Muslims. They convert at sword point, when they bother allowing converting. To agree to leave Trump alone for money would be morally repugnant to them.
Second, the claim that ISIS doesn't exist. This could be argues to be a false flag operation of unprecedented scope. If several nations wanted an enemy to unite their population against, that is a solution. The west did pull together after 9/11. The flaw here is that there would have to be so many people involved in the conspiracy that it would be impossible to keep it secret. Look at Trump's regime. They couldn't hide meeting Russian agents. How could Bush, then Obama, now Trump run a massive operation like that without anyone spilling the beans as they get kicked out between administrations?
I don't believe either if these hypothetical situations is likely in the least, but I wanted to at least air the rational behind some people who believe in them.
Thanks psych, even if isis wea fake news to start with, there have been attacks in places like france, wich has been proved by the BBC, so even if it was fake to start with, suicide bombers were doing it for the group, so they would have started it, even if it dident in the first place, and there not attacking some countrys, for 2 reasons 1 the security is too good in some countrys, and they either fail or get arrested, or 2 if they did attack, they are scared that the country would take its millitary to attack IS, and would smash them.
If they are Muslims, Muslims are ordered,
Fight those who fight you.
Are they so stupid they don't understand that every individual is not saying or taking the same actions?
Will they say that Donald Trump has a job, and that only American and Muslim property is fair game?
He thinks if they don't attack Trump personally he is either paying them protection money or that they don't really exist. Which one seems to vary.
what do ypu mean??
That's not personal property owned by an individual my crooked neighbor.
They probably all ready have attemted to attack US and UK land, but rhe security is clearly to good for them.
They are preparing a sneak attack.
The same logic as with Santa, he's paying the handlers if nobody else.
Again, based on what? Lots of rich people have property around the world. None of them were targeted.
Also, you have 100% flipped from claiming ISIS doesn't really exist to now Trump is so afraid of them he is paying protected money. It really seems like you have no clue what you are taking about.
Trump isn't clever enough to run ISIS.
At best he is paying protection money to someone in order to say what he says without any repercussions.
I'm glad you can understand that not all rich people are conspire to create fake terrorists. Now let's see if you can explain how those fake terrorists could displace millions if, as you say, they are just hired by Trump to put on a mask and pretend to be ISIS.
Oprah Winfrey is not attacking anyone or calling for them to die. All she does is threaten to bring them on her show. If they were to attack her, she will win because they will have more than her show to worry about.
How so? Trump is not personally going and slapping members of ISIS. Why should they have targeted him any more than Oprah or any other celebrity? That may change now that he is president, but it hasn't even been a month yet.
by your logic they are cowards that nobody should fear, since Trump can abuse them without fear.
I know you say that. I just don't believe you unless you have some proof.
they know how to find his property.
I say they are being paid not to attack his lands and estate.
It isn't that all the military powers can't defeat them, it is that the collateral damage would be too high. So they are forced to be selective with their targeting. ISIS is not a group of people who stand out in a field to be easily recognized and bombed. Add to that the handicap that most militaries have refused to put boots on the ground and are relying on bombing, which means they aren't actually holding any ground.
People traveling either have to fight their way through or travel by commercial routes. Fighting their way to Trump's golf course requires a massive amount of manpower and resources with no real gain. Commercial airlines include customs and checks to stop terrorism. Which one do you think they should be using?
You still are refusing to justify your claim that Trump is in some way behind them. Could it be that you have nothing to back it?
If this group is so powerful that all the military powers can't defeat them, why can't they travel outside of Syria?
His property isn't in Syria, nor are they generally gathering places for large crowds, so it's fairly safe.
You still aren't explaining why you think he is suspect.
obviously they know who he is, yet his property is safe from harm.
of course all should enjoy the same comfort as he is afforded.
You are dancing around trying to twist my words. Everyone they kill is an individual. I said they don't target individual people. They didn't go to his home and kidnap him. They didn't bomb his house. He was there, and so was a target of opportunity. They target westerners in general. If you are a westerner in the middle east, they may try to kill you.
You still aren't doing anything to explain why Trump is suspect.
You are trying to dance away from when you gave alternate facts that they never attack individual human beings.
Would that be a valid excuse to present to them if they captured you?
They didn't go out hunting him or blow up his house. He was abducted in Syria because he was a foreign journalist. No different than any of the other abductions or killings they have done. How does the kidnapping and killing of someone in Syria implicate Trump?
James Foley was an individual. Don't say he doesn't count because he's rich.
Yes, people can and do travel.
And that is why your argument makes no sense. Since they don't target people, it isn't that they are too weak, it is that they don't attack individuals. They haven't attacked any wealthy person's property, so why do you think they are either imaginary or being controlled by Trump?
If he can own property worldwide and travel freely without their interference so can others
well the debate is why they are too weak to attack anything belonging to him.
yes, there truely is a group ISIS but it has never been recalled about any attack against the properties of trump, why?
did any part of that have anything to do with this debate? no one knows what it is you are trying to say. it's all just a mishmash of nonsense.
I live on the Earth and I have my own inheritance from the U. S. military. They let me work out on their weights for free in the National Guard armories without knowing I am the only son of a vet.
These people are mostly soldiers and only know about their superior officer and paycheck.
Only a few people alive understand the U. S beating Russia with a flag on the moon. Even Putin doesn't know how the flag was able to flutter.
so your argument is that the US made up ISIS?
There are videos of an American landing on the moon with the U. S. flag fluttering in the wind.
National agenda often Trumps truth.
We have to live with truth and lies.
My own father is deceased U. S military officer. The rules state that you obey your commanding officer even if he is wrong, or else you will end up like Bradley Manning or worse.
As his only son, I learned that their are many alternative things to do on Earth than seeking out those to be killed.
You are throwing up a lot of smoke and mirror theories, but nothing as evidence. There are videos of ISIS fighting, killing, rallying, and ruling. There is as much proof of their existing as there is of China existing to people in America. All we have 8s photos, videos, and the accounts of people who've been there. All of these things are against you.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
Only the descendants of Christianity are interested in perpetuating the inquisition. This time amongst the spayed, neutered, and declawed amongst the weakest Muslims.
The perpetrators of modern history's atrocities are far too cowardly to try looking for any radical Muslims amongst the Chinese warlords because China will slay any fools before they can kill even one Muslim in those borders.
again, you're not making sense. no, armies of Muslims don't invade looking for the KKK. why would they? they did invade Iraq and Syria. and historically they invaded many countries.
and today they attack all over the world. so what are trying to argue?
funny man your pathetic defense is nonsensical.
with that said.
Armies of Muslims are never invading anywhere accosting the civilian population searching for KKK, or even asking the most treacherous individuals at gun point to tell them who is KKK.
I didn't mean any part of that to be an attack or pointing out your flaws. i was interpreting your nonsensical argument to be a symptom of having trouble explaining your argument due to English not being your primary language. I am not criticizing you for that.
no one is attacking entire countries of people to fight ISIS. No one intelligent wants to blame all Muslims for their crimes, although there are lots of Republicans who do.
I still have no idea how Trump's buildings and ISIS are in any way related.
they exist as Santa exists.
The difference is there's no people to attack on the north pole and people don't dress as Santa everyday.
this is tantamount to attacking entire populations of humans.
the litmus test on who believes in Santa or who believes in ISIS has never been employed by those who are only eager to kill, and actually don't care if it's ISIS or Jesus himself.
in a way you are right. isis is made out of individuals, individuals who have joined forces and work together, forming the group known collectively as isis.
and all Muslims should not collectively be blamed for the actions of these individuals within that organization.
however your theories regarding their nonexistence are quite the conspiracy theory.
i meant to say it will do 0% good in winning the debate
I can point out your personal flaws as well, but it will do as much good in winning the logic and reasoning debate.
We have contention only in this sphere but we can open it up to the many, many aspects of life you are far inferior in comparison.
KKK is a real group. Police are a real group. People can claim to be anything when committing murder and imprisoning those who refuse to obey them.
Attacking entire countries of people with the claim of defeating people who say they are ISIS only makes those who are doing the murder into the guilty and blameworthy.
We need the same deal Donald Trump has in order to have safe properties and businesses around the world, just like he has with no threat of ISIS attack.
najam is having trouble making sense in more than one debate. It might be a language issue.
I agree that attacking Muslims in general is a bad thing. the vast majority of Muslims to not support ISIS. ISIS is certainly made up of individuals, and they do not speak for Islam.
but they are a real group. they do kill people. they have established their own "caliphate". to deny their existence is simply not going to work unless you have a coherent argument for why they do not exist.
do u have proof? all the proof points to their being an isis group that I am aware of. they are brutal they are evil and they need to be stopped. thinking their not there will not help. but let's say this is just a couple of people. do u not agree we should bring such people to justice.
The KKK are white supremacist claiming to be Christians so they can kill or imprison other humans. They even have jobs as police and soldiers.
Just because they are in America gives nobody the right to attack people of America wholesale.
If ISIS actually exists then they are individual humans as well.
Attacking Muslims wholesale claiming to be hunting ISIS would provoke them into fighting back against their attacker.
Dylan Roof is not KKK, yet he was found to be murdering Christian people in cold blood.
If someone is killing Muslims in cold blood,we get that person.
The whole ISIS scandal is an excuse to attack large areas of civilians, and highly suspect that they don't retaliate with an attack upon the worldwide property of those calling for their murder.
If you think there are no buildings controlled by ISIS it is only through willful ignorance. ISIS controls a region, including infrastructure. The cities they control have all the same municipal and infrastructure buildings as any other in the region (barring where they have been destroyed by bombs) and they did hang their banners.
ISIS has attacked targets all over the world, but primarily in the middle East and Africa. they don't, to the best of my knowledge, target individuals. they target nations. when they bomb a market in turkey it isn't because they hate one guy selling sandals. it is because turkey as a whole is their enemy.
just because they haven't targeted specific individuals is in no way suspicious.
and you don't see alot of buildings with the Klu Klux Klan on them either, but they exist too. a lack of gaudy, rediculous advertising is not evidence of anything.
Well I am not the one publicly broadcasting to the world how many ISIS members that I want killed, nor am I ordering humans to kill people who are claiming to be ISIS.
We don't see any buildings with the name ISIS anywhere across the Earth.
We only see Trump buildings.
People must be really stupid if they believe that this so called ISIS group only attacks people who have no property or worldly wealth.
What a con job?
You show somebody a single termite that you planted, and then tell them the neighborhood is invested and only your exterminators can defeat the termites.
Have you been personally attacked by ISIS? Does that make you responsible?
Not being attacked does NOT automatically make someone suspect. I'm not sure where you get that idea. Since, as I said, ISIS does not target specific people or their property, that means that both Putin and the Queen of England are equally as suspect. How have you concluded that Trump is in some way responsible?
You obviously understand nothing about the mafia, extortion, or security.
People who never get attacked are automatic suspects when they offer to protect you.
How simple is it to put on masks and claim to be ISIS?
Then you can make people pay you in exchange for stopping a group that's in your alliance.
I've never met you so you must not exist, right?
ISIS has not targeted specific people worldwide, they stuck to generate fear. They may attack Trump assets now that he is POTUS, but even if they don't it is not an argument for their lack of existence.
that's like saying Mongolia never invaded the US so it must not exist. your argument is complete nonsense.
hold their own, lol.
Russia had a 3 week bombing campaign, and the US barely dropped a boot on the ground. oh yeah, full force!
i give you the same logic as the existence of Santa.
he doesn't exist yet humans speak on his behalf and dress as him.
From our knowledge ISIS has bad a** capacity to be mighty enough to hold their own against the might of both USA and Russia, so why are they so weak against Donald Trump as an individual?
what are you talking about? I don't think anyone we questions whether they exist.
If the group called ISIS actually exists why are they prohibited from attacking the Trump properties or family around the world. From what we've seen they are not a pack of rabid dogs attacking any human who comes in range. Either they don't exist or they are intelligent enough to fight those who are using their time on Earth to fight them.
Trump will bring attacks on his properties because they want him to launch an invasion. and an invasion will bolster isis propaganda, and make the US the major target of terrorism.
So you mean Trump would bring threat s on US by waging a war against ISIS?
Isis hasn't been attacking America at all. the Muslim world has stopped looking at America as target #1 since Obama's lead from behind strategy MADE US SAFER THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN DECADES (from external aggression)
but I have a feeling trump buildings will have a big old target in their back. Obama has been smarter than them, but Trump is too easy to taunt and he will be amazing for their propaganda campaigns. of they hit his building, there will be a response, and they will love it.
ISIS isnt targeting trump in particular. They target everyone. Thats the reason.