The debate "If there was no religion we would be better than who we are." was started by
May 14, 2016, 11:41 am.
11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 22 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Nemiroff posted 5 arguments to the disagreers part.
paradox, TripleBarrelBluff, Donald_J_Trump, Anjali, dalton7532, Julia_lee, openparachute, SueAnnMohr, makson and 2 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, enro, carocupit, administrator, truce_jttm, moneybagboyz123 and 16 visitors disagree.
Just an example where one would think something unusual and try to find a reason. It would be strange not to look for a reason, even if your only reason seems illogical. Ever seen testimonies of people claiming miracles? They wouldn't have no reason to bring them to this conclusion (double negatives, huh?).
Then again, maybe there is no reason. Some people can't help thinking though.
but I don't think meeting someone 5 times in one day, or even 10 times would lead one towards religion.
it's not that strange if they work in the same building, or somewhere on the same block.
you may run into them on the train, at lunch at that popular place, running an errand, on your way home. there may be explanations, although there may not be. sometimes they just aren't apparant. we may never know for sure.
Any kind. Have you ever asked a religious person why they are religious? It varies, from nothing to lose to reoccurring dreams to surviving something they don't think they should have. Whether or not it's true, at some point merely accepting the situation is irrational, for example if you run into the same person five times in one day at varying locations, doesn't it seem unlikely? A normal person would start suspecting things. This is why many religious people would assume evidence is evident to everyone, and the atheist does not.
what patterns and coincidenced are you referring to?
To aquire the heart of a new civilization, the people had to have their rulers and heads replaced with a new one. Regardless of your thoughts on religion, it has been beneficial in keeping obtained cities from revolting, as a new religion or king would align the people with similar thoughts. I'm not an atheist, so to say alone that religion is necessary wouldn't get traction. However, it is true that early man would not have had such cooperation if not for religion, too much depended on an altruism only available because of the results known today. Also, I am also fairly certain that people will see coincidences, and seeing enough will convince people of a pattern. Without trying to sound preachy or ridiculous, I would say after enough coincidences it would only be logical to accept a pattern, no matter how small.
I'm talking early man, during or before the Mesopotamian cities. Rome was several millenia later.
I don't buy that religion is critical for society. the Romans had a religion but it wasn't a particularly core part of their existence. they adapted their religion to fit their political needs.
if there was no religion ever, society may not have gotten started. or at least taken much much longer to evolve.