The debate "If your an athiest. Know you facts before you start talking." was started by
January 28, 2016, 9:26 am.
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if you want to debate rather than state your opinion you need facts and proof, the aim of a debate is to try and get the other person to change their mind and for that you need proof and evidence. so yeah you need to know what your talking about but that's the problem with religion is that there is no proof and yes there's no proof today god doesn't exist, but it is very hard to believe in something that there is no evidence of!
This applies to atheists, agnostics, theists and any other belief or opinion. If you are going to offer an opinion on a subject, it is your responsibility to educate yourself about it first.
Could you provide some direction about where you recommend looking for this proof? Many of the proof of the Bible that I have found has either been inaccurate (much of creationists arguments fall into this category) or, as sosocratese said earlier, they are a God of the gaps arguments. I am always open to research and learning new things, but without direction toward something persuasive I have to judge by what I have seen.
Not only Bible Study, and Debates. That will do no good. I mean actual research about EVERYTHING in the bible. Go to the library read books or go online and research more. One example is near death experiences. Which I drfinitley believe because people all over the world say the same consistent thing about what they and what happened and actually even saw what happened when they supposedly 'dead' which shocked the witnisses. Not only does it change there lives but the way they look at life as well. A lot of scientist are going by this. That its just a hallucination caused by the brain. That's one example but there are plenty that support the bible in a direct and indirect way. and yeah thank you for agreeing about that second part.
I've done plenty of research, listened to plenty of talks, debates, had Bible study as a kid etc... I'm well versed on the supposed evidence for Christianity.
I would a agree that anyone who attacks Christian doctrine ought to have a working knowledge of the texts involved. However, if you are referring to people attacking Christianity in the context of things done in the name of Christianity, you don't need much working knowledge to make those arguments. The inquisition, the crusades, slavery, etc... All had Christian justification. Whether or not you call it "true" Christianity is as relevant as the defense that ISIS is not a representation of Islam. It's irrelevant to the critique of religion as to the harm it can produce.
And there are a huge differences between Christianity/anything similar than basically all other 1000 religions. Trust me you can tell. If you want to know. Go online, library. tons of info
There may be not enough evidence but If you already haven't you should check it out yourself and look into both sides. There are compelling reasonings on both sides. There's more evidence on the Bible or if I'm wrong God than there is on fairyales such as mermaids, vampires, and all else like that. I can't really compare it to that because there is at least some compelling things that make you question. Mystical Creatures. well there's photoshopped images xD and people saying they saw one very few but that's it.
I have met a ton of athiest who had a lot to say about Christians with little to no knowledge. You can easily be an athiest but people like to think anyone who calls themselves a Christian. Is a Christian. That is not true and that is what I was saying in the beginning. Sure you may believe God exist but that doesn't mean you are a Christian at all. I have a feeling you already checked the dictionary of what a Christian is. If an athiest were to say something about a Christian. They should have some deep knowledge in it so there not saying bs.
You're misrepresenting my argument a bit here. My claim isn't that there is proof against God. My, and any intellectually honest atheist's claim is that there is insufficient evidence for the existence of God to justify a belief in it.
The reasoning for that is that you can't logically arrive at the conclusion that there is a God through reason and evidence alone. The claim of the atheist is purely that he doesn't believe. The atheist position is therefore a state of uncertainty to some degree, however it is based purely on reason with no speculation. The atheist doesn't have to know every detail about a particular faith in order to deny it. I doubt that you would be able to demonstrate the kind of knowledge you ask of atheists of your religion about the religions you deny by believing in the Christian faith. So why is it on the atheist to demonstrate a deeper knowledge of Christianity in order to deny it than your understanding of pagan religions, of Hindu, Islam, the various kinds of Buddhisms, or any of the other 1000 religions out there in oder for you to deny them?
atheists aren't making the grand claims. theists are making grand claims. atheists claim that because there is no evidence that God exists you shouldn't believe it. just like the tooth fairy, unicorns or elves. there is no evidence such things exist so it is illogical to believe they exist.
Its not ignorant at all because I use to he an athiest and both sides they both have there own persuasions but not solid evidence. There is no solid proof that god exist but there are some compellong things that you will find coincidenral but there is a lot of things that you should maybe check out that will make you rethnk. Athiest want physical proof I guess you can say. Which isn't actual proof I'm saying. So Athiest don't have any real proof. Just persuasions. You probably have some persuasive things to tell me but you don't have any actual proof that God doesn't exist but if you do a lot if research there is compelling evidence that God could exist. Its not ignorant. If Athiest had real proof well duh I wouldn't believe in God but Athiest have nothing. Its just hard to imagine God exist so you prefer to find out why God couldn't exist.
It is pretty ignorant of your own position to claim that there is actual proof that God exists. The reason why you call belive in God faith is because there is no evidence for God.
The whole listing scientists of the past as Christians and then claiming that is proof is a fallacy known as argument from authority....
Atheists need to be honest about the claims they're making.
An atheist must say that God is either unlikely to exist or that there is no evidence for his/her/it's existence and therefore a belive in God is irrational. That's as far as an atheist can actually take the argument. However, it's a fairly strong argument, since it's the same claim that is made about unicorns, dragons, or any other fictional character. I can't show you proof that such things don't exist, however I can certainly make the argument that it is irrational to believe in such things.
The theist on the other hand is claiming a positive. Therefore, it is up to them to deliver proof of their claim. So it is really the theist who really needs to know what they're claiming and the type of evidence they're using to support their claim. I can guarantee you that I can win most theological arguments about the existence of God on logic alone. Most claims made by theists about the existence of God are based on logical fallacies so I don't need to know anything about Christianity, Islam, or any other religion in order to argue against it effectively.... Now it does help being versed in the content of each religion to argue things like morality in religion.
:-) and BTW There is no solid proof that god exist but there isn't any proof that he doesn't. Even Albert Einstein/Isaac Newtom believed in God.
okay fair enough! see what you mean now!
No silly. I mean Athiest who have no clue what there talking about when it comes to what they have to say about Christians. I don't mind what you believe in and no matter what I say it won't make a difference I'm pretty sure. I have no problem with that but ignorance can go in both ways.
at least there are facts, there isn't actually any proof of God just stories and peoples "experiences"