The debate "Ignorance goes both ways. Believe what you believe but if your not open. Stfu about what you think." was started by
February 13, 2016, 9:24 am.
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PsychDave posted 1 argument, DarkDerpy posted 2 arguments, MrShine posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
MrShine, PsychDave, DarkDerpy, Adonah, ReadyToBegin, alexoliver, carlos1ja and 8 visitors agree.
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Exactly. Good point historybuff.
"its not ironic. you can believe what you believe like I said but if your closed minded individual on one side I don't wanna hear you."
Not saying I disagree with the rest of what you are saying after hearing your claim, but it is ironic.
You are saying that you will not listen to people who are not open about others thoughts or opinions, right? Think about that. That means that you are not being open yourself to the side that is close-minded. Meaning that you will not listen to yourself (by the statement.)
And aren't debates more based on stating a claim and refuting it to the end? Wouldn't it just be a heated discussion if one side would just give in after a while or if everyone agreed?
I understand it as what people decide to see and ignore in regards to their goals. Without goals, we cannot decide who or what we listen to. Being open or open minded should not change the fact that if you disagree, then you shouldn't have to endorse it. "Tolerance" can be done with a fully open mind and that if you decide the views are not something you can or should own, then don't. It might sound biggoted, being as with what tolerance and acceptance usually revolve around (an oppressed minority), but tolerance is certainly different from persecution, and so long as you do not tread on another person's freedom, there is no issue.
The biggest problem is with any statements on open mindedness. It is a fairly relative thing, so as for person to person and "open" or "closed" statement can be issued. However, when a baseline that everyone must follow is established, it is a selfish leader that says "everyone must follow" in turn it removes opinions and closes everyone's minds, by allowing us to believe that we are free. This selfishness surpasses individual selfishness, and in turn perhaps our own selfishness can be considered righteous. If what is fair is what is expected, and it cannot be expected that people will have different beliefs and conflict, or that the majority rules, or that pleasure is the goal of life in many different ways religions personal beliefs or even hedonism. Recognizing self where you are willing to change, and where your weaknesses lie, are the first steps to realizing where strengths can (dare I say, through a system of natural causes, selection) an evolution (which doesn't actually happen on an organism's level, but by the changes of thoughts about thoughts, we can change our thoughts) of character, raised by the circumstances of birth and experience pitted against our biological desire for comfort.
*end of villain rant. In all honesty, some of what was said was true, but used words to create the generic, hopefully toward a charismatic, statements made. "Greed, for the lack of a better word, is good" is something I was going for. Still, in a nutshell, its the "open minded" standard that screws people over, because it cannot be applied as a whole to individuals, because it cuts out the "individual".
then why are you on s debating site? you don't want to hear views different from your own.
its not ironic. you can believe what you believe like I said but if your closed minded individual on one side I don't wanna hear you.
This debate topic is a bit ironic. It says believe what you believe, but if you are not open stfu.
That isn't very open at all. Haha.
Sick of christian people who are clearly not christian just believing in God and completley ignorant to the fact that most science is true, there not only closed up but stubborn and I am sick of athiest who completely lean on science and aren't even the slightest bit curious about the unknown. Basically if you can't physically test it for the world to see its not true. Its bs on both sides. Science can't explain everything. Its limited and if ppl only lean on science them goodluck to you. Science explains how it will never ever be able to explain why.
Being closed minded on both sides can only make you blind to the other side. Its annoying as f*** when I hear some fake religious girl say a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense and can't stand science as well as annoying to hear some closed minded athiest say "Science can explain everything". No it can not. That's arrogance right there. Aggravates me. When do I ever see someone who believes both sides. An actual wise person. Not some fake closed minded phony.
I'm curious what prompted this.