Intentions are irrelevant

July 9, 2019, 4:39 am

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The debate "Intentions are irrelevant" was started by Allirix on July 9, 2019, 4:39 am. 6 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 19 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Allirix posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 2 arguments, JDAWG9693 posted 4 arguments, Allirix posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

romeroa251, Allirix and 4 visitors agree.
historybuff, JDAWG9693, ototoxic, sk25, Light, Repent_4_The_End_Is_Near, jennalyse, YEET, kittrapper and 10 visitors disagree.

JDAWG9693
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Ah. I didn't realize you were playing devil's advocate.

3 months, 1 week ago

I'm honestly trying to debate something I don't agree with but I think I made the initial argument too indefensible

3 months, 1 week ago
JDAWG9693
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Did I kill you because I hate you or because you were trying to kill me?

3 months, 1 week ago

Even on a non-personal level intent matters. Am I kidnapping you because I'm a stalker or because I'm a police officer and you're under arrest for breaking the law? Am I taking pictures of you in the nude because I'm your partner and we have consented or because I'm a voyeur? The end result is still the same but the intention VERY much matters.

3 months, 1 week ago
JDAWG9693
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Again, if someone spins around and accidentally breaks my nose, i am much more likely to quickly forgive that person than if they just punched me for the fun of it.

Even if the person punched me on purpose, why they did it still matters. If a stranger punched me in the face for no reason, I'm gonna beat the shit out of them. If someone punched me in the face but I understand theie reason, what I do next may vary. If I think they shouldn't have, I might defend myself. If I understand that I deserved that, I'll probably let it slide. If I'm too caught up in the moment and "defend myself" anyways but later realize I deserved it, I will apologize and compensate them.

3 months, 1 week ago
Allirix
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"Intentions are irrelevant to those harmed". I guess I shortened the point far too much

3 months, 2 weeks ago

Even to the one person it matters. If someone accidentally hits me by accident, I'm more likely to forgive them quickly than if someone hits me on purpose.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

They are irrelevant for that one specific person. They are definitely relevant for everyone else. There is a big difference between "will not reverse that" and "is irrelevant". By that metric lots of things are irrelevant.

A funeral won't bring back a dead person, so is it irrelevant? No, it is not supposed to reverse death, it is supposed to give people a chance to grieve.

Punishing a criminal doesn't reverse the crime being committed. Does that make the justice system irrelevant?

Laws intended to stop a specific issue (for example laws banning drunk driving) wont bring back the people who have died to that issue. they are irrelevant to the dead people, but they are very relevant to the rest of society.

3 months, 2 weeks ago
Allirix
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To the person who's died from poisoning, or from a car running them down, the intent is irrelevant. They're dead. The harm is done and good intentions will not reverse that.

3 months, 2 weeks ago

Intentions are very important. Some examples

1) - i see someone walk out in front of my car and I intentionally run them down.
- Someone walks out in front of my car and I hit them by accident

2) - I'm cooking and I intentionally add rat poison to the food, then serve it to people
- while cooking I grab the wrong container and accidentally add rat poison to the food.

In these cases, the end result is the same, but the intentions of my actions would be very important. Now there are certainly other things that are also very important, and probably things that are more important. But saying they are irrelevant isn't true.

3 months, 2 weeks ago
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