Is free market liberitarianism functional on a national scale

February 13, 2018, 5:13 pm

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The debate "Is free market liberitarianism functional on a national scale" was started by Nemiroff on February 13, 2018, 5:13 pm. By the way, Nemiroff is disagreeing with this statement. 10 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Nemiroff posted 1 argument, lachlan2 posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
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lachlan2, jivanl, chasediedrich1 and 7 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, Post_it_note, historybuff and 11 visitors disagree.

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2 weeks, 1 day ago
Nemiroff
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I made this debate vague on purpose so I wouldn't be accused to leading the topic. I listed several angles we can take but feel free to explore any aspect of the economy.

I really think that liberitarianism fails as soon as capitalism expands past the mom and pop shops and I am certain that every industry we explore in this thought experiment will prove my argument.

as far as any social aspect, I'm certain that liberitarians and democrats are in complete agreement, but economics is the focus of this thread.

3 months ago

we can talk about something else. it's up to you.

wages for example, or finance, education, medicine, food quality.

if you trully believe in the liberitarian ideal, let's build this world and see if it will function even on paper.
it can't be that strong an ideal if you aren't willing to test it. perhaps you may want to look at some alternatives then. or at least a more flexible approach.

3 months ago
Nemiroff
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so you buy some property, very expensive. and someone can buy the property next to yours and do whatever they want with it, whether it's open a crack den, or construction 24/7 for a year?

kicking up dust and construction noise constant. How would that affect market stability and overall morality?

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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in other words, you buy the land, you can do whatever the heck you want to do with it!?

3 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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I haven't thought much of the issue. I'm not sure why governments would be involved with the building speeds of skyscrapers. I think they should be built as efficiently as the market demands.

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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more specifically, the regulations that make it so long. we don't have to go down to a year, I would support faster building of course... depending on the pro con ratio.

how do you think a regulation free economy would work out in the bigger scheme. and on a less hypothetical tangent, which regulations would you recommend removing?

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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the building of a sky scraper in 1 year. something touted recently by the president.
we used to do it. China still does it. why does it take us soooo.... long?

3 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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So bring up an issue where you think I believe in minimum government and I'll defend it

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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idk if it involved free trade. I also don't consider generalized rules as not a free market. I don't think you need literal lawlessness for a free market.

but I do what to explore the consequences of none to extreme minimum government
regulation on our markets and economy. a thought experiment of sorts.

3 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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So you want to debate free trade with free market vs non free market?

3 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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we end up broadening or going on tangents anyway, but this is the point I am trying to establish. am I missing some nuance?

I don't think anarchy is going to come up. I don't intend on going anywhere social, and I'm going to assume the markets existence as a given. It will be entirely focused on functionality domestically and possibly vs international competitors.

3 months, 1 week ago

It's an overbroad debate. Chose a policy and I'll defend it or reject it. Your problem is that anytime anyone believes in less government than you, it ends with you forcing then to defend why anarchism works.

3 months, 1 week ago

I really thought this would get instant replies. I'm very surprised by the voting since most people on this app (mostly transient) that post are hardcore liberitarian.

3 months, 1 week ago

many recent discussions have centered on this point so let's settle it. I want to show how it will not work on any significant scale.

I suggest we start with the current news item and infrastructure. not who pays for it, but the beauracracy that makes it take forever while China builds a skyscraper in a year.

I too would love for such projects to expedite, but at what cost? is it fair to neighbors for construction sounds to blast 24 hrs year long? to kick dust up with no precautions with the health and scenery effects of that? no zoning rules propping commercial space in communities that want to remain residential? safety precautions for pedestrians (not sure how much you would offer to workers). and in big cities with constant development, that would be an endless nightmare.

3 months, 1 week ago
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