The debate "Is the SJW caricature a made up boogeyman" was started by
February 5, 2019, 5:01 am.
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also nazi is a specific group of people with a preset ideology, whereas sjw is a general description of people who have different priorities, concerns and issues. some are concerned with racial inequalities, others income inequality, lobbyists silencing our voice. once again, this comparison is not sensible.
wouldnt anyone fighting for social justice qualify as an SJW regardless of what they are fighting for?
fair, honest comparisons would be:
SJW: Alt right
Nazi: Antifa (although their choice of targets puts them in completely different moral levels)
alt right is far more then nazis. I'm not sure if they even have an ideology as it seems most of its members simply get off on triggering people and being equal opportunity haters. how often have you heard the idea that simply triggering liberals is a political win amongst their circles? pathetic childishness.
liberitarianism is also on the far end of the political spectrum.
your also going to small meetings vs mass protests... of course there will be more people in a mass protest compared to a small meeting. I'm guessing the Charlottesville protest had more nazis then the meeting you went to.
if I go to a rich area like the Hamptons, with a small poor community to serve as help and take a survey of the populations of the different classes... would it be honest to take that anecdote and claim that 70% of the entire us is millionaires? cause that's kinda what your doing. your going to small groups of nazis and large groups of sjws, which be definition will have small groups of nazis and large groups of sjws.
why dont you go to an SJW meeting or a nazi protest?
I understand that nazism and social justice are not opposites, but they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. And, the reason i brought up the clansmen meetings was to express how that even though I have gone out of my way to meet people from the alt-right, I have still met many more people who fit the caricature of an SJW, mostly during protests I have attended.
nazis want fascism. most alt righters just want blacks, hispanics, women, Jews, muslims, gays, trans, 3rd gender, to leave, die, or stay in the kitchen. they dont want actual fascism, and I would guess half of them are kids or drunks who just enjoy triggering people regardless of reason.
alt right is huge, and has been increasingly main stream.
your comparisons make no sense.
sjws to nazis?
wouldnt antifa be a closer comparison in extemeness, methods, and population?
wouldnt the opposite of socialist be mon government liberitarians?
your definition of alt right is way to narrow. not everyone on breitbart is a nazi or clansman. what is the viewership of sites like breitbart and infowars? millions?
your comparing small meetings to mass protests. compare protests to protests like Charlottesville. and I would hope that people advocating economic change would be more populous then those advocating mass hate and often times violence. that's a good thing and they 2 are not equal extremes.
these are not honest comparisons.
I don't watch FOX news. Actually, I'm mostly basing this on personal experience, as I have personally met many more SJWs than nazis, and I've been to KKK meetings. But, I've also been to liberal protests, and that's where I often find most of the SJWs
But you have absolutely no evidence to back up that assertion. You just assume it is that way, likely because the media you choose to view is much more critical of SJWs than of Nazis. I don't know what news you choose to read, but Fox news for example is much more likely to talk about SJWs than Nazis. This can easily give you the impression that there are more of them when you are really just hearing cherry picked examples of an extreme tiny minority.
No, there are alt-right people (nazis, or close to) and there are alt-left (SJWs and/or socialists), but it seems, to me at least, from what I've seen, that there are WAY more SJWs than nazis. Of course not everyone, probably not even the majority, but a large portion it seems like.
no, it is not; there is a woman who forced her son to dress as a girl for a few years, her and the father are in a custody battle currently.
But then even by your own admission, that isn't a SJW thing, that is a human thing. People fall for tag line with little to no information about the topic (MAGA, build the wall, lock her up etc). So saying that the SJW caricature is accurate makes as much sense as saying all republicans are nazis. There are certainly examples of over the top SJWs and there are certainly examples of republican Nazis. But painting everyone with the same brush just shows that you are one of those people who don't care about having information about the topic, you just want a simple tag line to chant. IE "SJWs are snowflakes" or whatever nonsense right wing pundits come up with.
I, too, thought this for awhile, but it seems that a lot of people on the left often fit the caricature of an SJW. For example, have you seen the videos of people protesting and few to no person can give a clear answer or reason for what they're doing? For a while I thought they were just picking a few, but I decided to do it myself, and it's true: nobody can give an answer to anything.
I think a big reason for that is that most people are stupid nowadays and nobody bothers to do any research for anything anymore, and I think that the right is near as bad, but that still isn't an excuse for the SJWs.
this antiSJW SJW is whining about a (truthfully ridiculous) Twitter post that dragon ball degrades woman and that therefore we must fight to ban all anime....
crazy thought, I would be against it too but the main point (never mentioned in the video) is that this post had hundreds of comments (almost all countering it), and only 8 likes and 7 retweets.
this isnt a leftist or SJW stupidity, it's just 1 or 2 people who represent noone but themselves. but the right is more then happy to showcase them as the typical liberal. if this represents all liberals, then mass shooters must represent all conservatives. I dont believe they do, but this is right wing logic at its finest. pathetic.