The debate "Is the US responsible for ISIS" was started by
November 19, 2015, 5:54 am.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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They are not made up of just uneducated people though. They have set up a functional government with infrastructure. They have garbage pickup, they have repaired roads and restored electricity and they have gotten hospitals back up and running. While that makes them no less brutal and oppressive to say that they are all backwards hicks is misinformed and ignores evidence. They are all the more dangerous since people will become accustomed to their interpretation of Sharia law and will accept it since it will become the norm.
when you destabilize an entire region that is already suffering from a plethora of other fundamental infrastructural problems, a vacuum of power is made and it's not going to be filled with a democracy loving civil rights party...
Yes it's the fault of the US for not understanding psychological cause and effect. Saying ISIS is its own fault is like giving a gun to a toddler and blaming him for shooting you, If you didn't notice, ISIS isn't full of college educated adults. They are the backwoods hicks of the middle East.
No the USA is not responsible.for ISIS because ISIS is responsible for ISIS.
Apollo8, if what you are describing was universally true then when England gave the US its independence it should have collapsed into anarchy and ruin. The problem is not that they pulled out, it is that they destabilized the region for decades with their meddling and puppet regimes.
I do agree that the US bears some of the responsibility for creating conditions in which extremism could flourish, but in the end the extremists are responsible for their own actions. To say that the US is responsible for ISIS is to take that responsibility away from ISIS themselves.
But if you try to look at it, US has actually been the root cause of this.
Juxtapose this to imperialism. When stronger states attacked a weaker state, it ultimately means influencing them to some extent. When these stronger states opt out to give independence or what other bull**** you can think of, for them to leave these weaker states only leaves these weaker states more problem, basically because their working system has been tampered with, they were influenced, they have been scarred, etc. When that happens and their economy fails unlike their sustained growth before being taken over, we think that the stronger state has to make a form of reparation. Just as how we expect our offenders to give a form of reparation or coomonly justice.
Likewise, US becomes the influence, the spark which triggered the ISIS propaganda. Although it was not necessarily their fault in doing so, it was their acts which had some unforeseen and unintended effects. That's why we hold them liable. In any case, I don't see what's wrong because I think US fighting in the forefront of war on terrorism is already a form of reparation and justice, that they are trying to deal with the repercussions of their own actions.
The U.S. is only responsible for influencing the creation of ISIS
I will absolutely agree that the US' actions contributed greatly, and that the current situation was at least somewhat caused these actions. I disagree with the topic only because I feel that ISIS is responsible for their own actions.
But for my previous reasons ISIS was still somewhat caused by the US
No, they didn't. They gave some weapons to the Iraqi military to help them recover from the fact that the US military destroyed most of theirs when they went in to overthrow the government. When those military bases were overrun by militants, the Iraqi military was not able to pull out the equipment as they retreated, meaning it fell into militant hands.
There is also some that was given to the militant groups that became ISIS because they were opposed to Assad and the US wanted to destabilize his government.
Didn't US forces leave all their weapons and war toys in the sand for the taken when they pulled out of Iraq?
Isis was created due to the lack of Sunni power due to the murder of Sudann Hussain
by the way a lot of Syrian rebels are not part of isis
My point is that it was an indirect starter
the US funded and supported sunni rebels in Syria with the hope of destabilizing the Assad regime. those rebels became ISIS. the US did not intend to create a sunni caliphate but they did help to create it.
The US is not responsible since they are not controlling the actions of ISIS. Murderers are responsible for their own actions, even if they had a bad upbringing or society failed them. The US did create much of the conditions that allowed ISIS to gain power, and they have done a great deal of damage to the views Muslims have towards the west, allowing ISIS to recruit.
Isis= U.S. kills Sudann Hussain, put in democracy. Shiites gain power. some Sunnis angry... become extremists, makes isis
I think there was already a video of Hillary Clinton stating that USA started it all, using ISIS, prematurely as rebel groups of Asia, to counteract communist Russia.