The debate "Is trump gonna loose" was started by
October 19, 2016, 9:04 am.
28 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 8 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
PsychDave posted 10 arguments, historybuff posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
Yanksxx21 posted 28 arguments, neveralone posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
historybuff, shirlynmishra, jack_tim_45, dung1998, PsychDave, nick, thereal, Tobibroek and 20 visitors agree.
simonlewis, ComradeStalin, Yanksxx21, sabrina and 4 visitors disagree.
by saying will he I mean we should make h just to clarify.
yes he will I'm not saying he isn't I'm saying everyone does
and will he? are you going to just believe a liar because he says that "this time he's telling the truth"?
I'm was running off of what psych was saying."Trump will have to contribute to society and stop being leeches on the system." I agree that everyone needs to contribute. usually people say only one or the other but both need to.
what about them? they should be arrested. I don't think anyone is arguing that, and that isn't what we were referring to while discussing mooching off the state.
OK thought u meant in general.
yes but even when they don't have to they still do. how long would u say it takes to learn that u don't have to steal? I have people in town who mooch a room for as long as they can and then once the people get fed up with the drugs and not paying or stealing they simply move to the next one.
we were talking only about loopholes.
the poor are using the tax credits they are allowed to, the ones that were made for them. the rich abuse those loopholes and end up paying nothing.
and when comparing stealing to eat vs stealing to have more. there is a difference between bad and worse no? not all bad are equal and Trump stealing's home does not get negated by poor people cashing in on tax credits. that guy is a monster.
stealing would be wrong no matter how much money u have. the justice system would be messes up if they didnt accept this. the poor do it by literally stealing which is usually for survival which is sad and in need of help but where I live I know tons of family's that help these people all the time which is great until they realise that these people aren't willing to change there ways. now this isn't all people but it is a lot of them.
the rich do it through greed and loop holes. Like Trump and the tax evasion stuff. it's not right either and shouldn't be able to happen.
u said the gov. works for us and I truly wished it did but the facts are against u. I could go to my town (live in the country) right now and see a whole lot of people who are poor and who are not happy but what's funny is they weren't like this until Obama got into office.for the gov. to work for us we need people who are like us in there but with better political know-how.
if someone is stealing to eat, and another is living fine but just wants more, that is not morally equal. poor people trying to do what they can with what they can get are not doing anything wrong. the system was made to help them.
and how can you say poor people game the system more when trump paid no federal taxes for years? he gamed enough for a city of poor people by his lone self with one move.
as far as taxes go, you can't really call them bad for dodging, taxes are something we all try to minimize, but when someone as rich as trump tries to steal the house from someone who is nowhere near as well off as he is, that is a low form of evil. (eminent domain against an old lady, she wouldn't sell so he got her house condemned)
what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter what ur financial matter is its the values u uphold that decides how honest u r. also for those that think Bill Clinton won't affect her decisions please look down a few entries where I explained that he does have influence so is therefore relevant to the argument
I agree that she won't change America for the better and that's about it.
I've seen more poor people take advantage of the system than rich but I think both need to be checked out.
She is the most corrupt and pathologic lair that has ever run for president, and surpass Nixon by a long shot.
How she is even running for president shows that the Govt is an accident, she's taken money for the Govt, accepted foreign donations from countries where they are against what she tells us, ignores and lies about having Americans killed, Lord about being against NAFTA and TPP, lied about having no classified documents in her emails and her apology does not dismiss her handing documents to countries such as Russia, who is so quick to saying hacks us.
@buff if ur married then u know ur spouse helps make ur decisions and u get advise from th.that's just how it is. now do u really want a president getting advise from a rapist?I don't.
She is not the change we need, she is actually just a reincarnation of obama.
Bill is completely relevant as she attacked his accusers, and is havng a rapist parade for her campaign.
She's raising tax on those with the highest income so people like Trump will have to contribute to society and stop being leeches on the system. That is her plan to play for it. Again, do some basic research.
As to your sources, it actually includes the transcript. She said the fact that he passed a polygraph forever destroyed her faith in them. Then she laughed.
We are going to go in circles because you parrot Trump's claims but don't dig into anything beyond them.
No you haven't given my any evidence buff
1) r u kidding me u r going to tell me she said the wrong thing on accident?how many "accidents does this woman need till u see it isn't an accident
2) I don't think she will break down America I think she will definitely change America and honestly I think it won't be for the better.
3) ur story sounds like it came directly from Hilary's mouth. it gets to make it sound like Hilary was a martyr or something but who puts that much work in something they don't want to do in the first place?
no one here is talking about bill clinton. he isn't running for president. what he did is 100% irrelevant to this discussion. unless you're going to tell me Hilary assaulted women then you are grasping at straws.
I already provided you with several events that prove he is all of those things.
Now back to the 11 year old tape, that is how men will hope around with eachother in private. No one would disrespect women or anyone in that manner publicly. If you want to go off of words as your only evidence to on ahead and ignore the actual victims of the Clintons with evidence. Bill lost his license law, had to give over 800 in damages, and still is paraded around as he's a saint. Go on libtards, parade around and deaify a rapist.
I'm also tired of all these unsupported claims that he's a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic.
Now she will raise taxes on the middle class, if you are going to give evryone a tuition free college for those making less than 125 a year, that's going to needed from the middle class in their taxes.
I was responding to yanks. That's why I replied to his argument.
Here's a snapshot of the disproven "facts" he used that prompted the reply.
While not a definitive source, Snopes at least explains it's fact checking and provides sources.
Finally, I fully agree that they are in it for themselves. Clinton is a mildly corrupt career politician. That means while she's not perfect you know where you stand with her and where she will stand on issues. Trump on the other hand is unpredictable, vindictive and a blatant liar. There is a long record of him lying and, while not entirely relevant to his presidential campaign, it does speak to his character.
the guy is an idiot. he jumps before he looks(and again I don't support him) but what "debunked lies" are u talking about? also I don't like Hilary bexause she did what she did knowingly and didn't care. so to wrap it up they both are in it for themselves.
So your argument is that you will believe Trump's pleas of innocents over his recorded admission of guilt and we are the ones being gullible?
You are defaulting to debunked lies and still won't admit to net bothering to know anything about the subject.
She's not raising taxes on the middle class. I suspect all of your knowledge of her plans cones from Trump's propaganda.
She's not for open borders. See above.
She did not laugh about a 12 year old being raped.
Could you at least try to research your claims? I'm tired of these arguments with no proof that have already been disproven.
But here's the left hypocritical Magneto helmet, put in on when I see fit.
If we use this argument because he said so it would kill Clinton..Prove she's rasing taxes on the middle class, shes for open boarders and trade, for NAFTA and TPP, laughs about a 12 year old raped.
Let's see take comes out, Clinton's watch it, tells the women to say what happened to them based off the tape...Is that a good argument?
so a man says on tape that he likes sexually assaulting women. women who have all come into contact with him say he sexually assaulted them in pretty much the way he admitted he enjoys. why would you assume they are lying. you want them to be lying because it suits what you want to be true. but the available evidence suggests he is guilty. mainly because he said he was.
And yes I don't know how that makes them a reliable witness..They want or fame or are part of the Clinton machine, pick your posion...
Again I cannot stress this enough, this entire situation is being blownup in order to cover up and guarantee a Clinton machine win. It's being blowup by the media to cover for the Wiki leaks it's arrogant to ignore these Sexual allegations coming out 3 weeks before the election. If this country truley wants to fix this country, and we need to talk polices, not this madeup crapola gossip.
I don't know about you but when I'm in a locker room I don't joke about sexual assault. and lots of athletes have said the same thing. that isn't something that is acceptable anywhere. it was a confession of criminal behavior.
and some of those women did know trump. several were just him casually assaulting a stranger in public. I don't see how that makes them an unreliable witness.
He was doing locker room talk, and unless you are queer betamale angel I suppose it may be hard to understand.
It's very odd also to have random women he has never met say this, which all are friends of Hillary, and all this started when her Wiki leaks was exposed...Again we have no evidence except a tape with no connection, and are ignoring how the Clintons treated women throughout the campaign. I'm sorry I think joking words in private arnt as bad as raping women, attack them, than excused with substantial evidence.
he admitted on tape that he likes sexually assaulting women. there are several women all saying he did this to them. how is this out of proportion?
The left is scraping up anything it can and blowing out of proportion...
Again emphasizing words are worse than rape, I find it very disgusting to take away from the victims of the Clintons. Thats like saying to your friend jokingly you want to kill someone, have someone actually kill someone and you get prosecuted not the murderer or in this case a rapist.
So you brag about molesting women with your friends? How about with business colleagues (or schoolmates since I don't know how old you are)? How about reporters that you don't know very well?
Starting to see the problem here? He wasn't bantering about cute girls with a friend. He was talking about sexual assault with a reporter who was there to interview him. The fact that the reporter went along doesn't make it less disgusting.
In response to economics, it's based off of regonomics which worked. He inherited worse than Clinton yet created 19 million jobs and dropped unemployment from 19 to 9%. If you don't let business expand thet won't make jobs..
deez nutz lmao..With all due respect it's kinda of disgusting to hit him on hard words that all friends do in private, ignoring how Bill raped and clinton attacked his accusers with actual evidence of sexual harrassment and contact.
So he has done better than expected, but is still on pace to lose. That's great. He should be very proud of outperforming the absolute failure people expected.
Did you have an example that happened after he bragged about sexually assaulting women?
How about we postpone talking about how universally loved he is until after the election, when we will have firm numbers for how much everyone loves him, not just people who would vote Republican even if Deez Nuts was the candidate?
racist and sexist are secondary to me. the courts and legislator can handle that. he is clueless about economics, and he is going to ruin us.
Also set highest GOP record in history, I'm awaiting evidence that he a racist and sexist from anyone.
please provide evidence that this is true
Now what's your argument in how he's aquired the most votes in majority democratic states in the history of the republic party
What you and many forget when he talks about this is increasing issues with Illegal immigrants, and the argument of how we need stronger boarders not only to protect the people of the country but the women and children victimised by them.
They are..80% of young women crossing the boarder get raped by illegals and coyotes, I think that's a pretty bad statistic in my opinion..
Let's start with the low hanging fruit
Mexicans are rapists.
Secondly he's aquired the highest number of voters in States and in the democratic party than any other republican in history and so far they only opposition against him is he says mean things that can be backed up..
Give me a substantial shread of evidence supporting hes a racist and sexist, as I find that doing so is often an issue
Polls are based on how people say they will vote. Obvious they don't perfectly predict the future. They do approximate it though. They are never exactly right, but they are close more often than they are wildly wrong.
On a separate note, are you honestly claiming that someone who has repeatedly made racist and sexist comments is the most loved candidate to ever run? He is hated by many women, Latin Americans, Muslims, as well as many others who are appalled by his language and behavior. Even fellow Republicans are condemning him. In what way is he the most loved?
after reading this I concluded I can't type fast
The polls are being manipulated as many people will look at them and by assume why bother voting trump, that's the goal here. The polls even when they weren't rigged don't really represent how well a candidate is doing, In 2012, his own campaign?s polls, among others, predicted Mitt Romney, the Republicans? nominee, would defeat President Barack Obama for the presidency, but just barely. Two years later, surveys in Kentucky strongly suggested then-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, thd most powerful Republican in Washington, could lose his seat to an rookie Democrat. Obviously, neither event ever came close to happening., and we can assume that Trump is no different, and despite the media is one of the most love candidates ever to run...* Other than Regan :D
She did lie about her email server and it containing classified material. She met with donors and gave them special access after promising to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. She lied about landing under sniper fire.
None of these are as terrible as Trump would make them out to be, but they aren't good either.
As I said, she is by far the better candidate, but she is not the perfect or ideal candidate.
forgot trump, hopefully he is out of the running. she is not the lesser of 2 evils. she is an objectively excellent candidate imo.
can you point to curroption? raising money is mandatory in the system we (and especially Republicans with citizens united) created. there is nothing corrupt about that, unless it has influenced her decisions.... can you show?
or her speeches when she was out of office... is she forbidden to pursuit wealth of any kind like the rest of us?
or her charity where she met with big donors, but gave nothing besides her time to them and used the money to help many people around the world and not herself?
she is steeped in controversy because people with interest against our own attack her, but if you actually examine reality, she is a very good leader... besides the occasional stupid move, but if we survived bush, she will be excellent.
In my opinion because she is a mildly corrupt career politician who has occasional bouts or stupidity (emails, sniper fire).
She is a massively better choice than a spoiled rich bully with little self control.
why do you lose with hillary? @ apollo
It doesnt matter who wins. We lose.
Goodbye good ol' constitution. You're death will be swift ;(
it doesn't look good for trump right now. polls aren't going well.
I think both parties will undergo massive reconstruction as dems are fighting socialism from creeping in, and rebublicans are torn between trump style and the traditional way. depends who is president. if trump is president and does a good job, the Republicans will unite. if Clinton is president and does a good job the Democrats will unite.
Trump is losing in FL, NV, & CO in all the polls. he must win those. some polls have him losing in NC & AZ, 2 more must win states.
he has destroyed the Republicans. he had handed dominance to the Democrats for the next election or two.
Trump wins regardless if he actually does lose. He has helped destroy pc and the liberal narrative.