The debate "Islam is a false religion & Mohamed was a false prophet" was started by
July 3, 2019, 8:55 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.
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this might be true and might not be but without any prove of actual existence of god every religion can be yermed false as for now until there is no violence by means of religion it is true othwrwise false.
in one sentence god isn't helping to stop violence so it is false.
which verse in the Quran says or implies that the Earth is spherical?
@asyrafiling, the Earth has been known to be spherical since the 6th century BC. It was common knowledge to the Hellenistic Greeks by then. There are undoubtedly true things in the Quran, but plenty of untrue and even ridiculous things in it as well. Certainly a far cry from anything proving the truth of the religion.
Does Quran also say about killing infidels a.k.a the non muslims?, Thats the worst part of Quran if anything as such exists in written form in the Quran.
considering man has known it was spherical for thousands of years, it would be idiotic for a young religion like Islam to get the shape wrong. you do not need divine revelation to find this out, Greeks knew it for millenias before the quran.
islam is a true religion. this is because of everything said in the holy quran is true, especially regarding the humans being and the world phenomenon. it has been proved by a lot of famous and legitimate researcher and studies. as example, quran said that the earth is sphere since the year 600 ad. then proved by Ferdinand Magellan after the first millenium ad once he finished his travel around the world.
All religions are false. So, there's that.
the greatest flaw is the curses effect on those who did not commit the crime. I had a long speech drawn out, but I will leave this discussion. as long as your statements dont contradict science I will no longer participate in discussions over belief.
but women were cursed with subservience to other mortals. how convenient that the bible happens to have been written/received by those other mortals. seems like men might have added that in for their own convenience.
Islam, or I should say Allah Himself, approves of the Bible and commanded "the people of the gospel (So that's us Christians)" to judge by what He had revealed to us (so Allah is saying He revealed the Bible to us & that we should follow it but then again if we're to do that then we are to reject islam.) Quran 5: 47 "So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what Allah revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what Allah revealed are the Sinners." This argument should best be responded to by Muslims (but there's no problem with anyone else responding). The Quran denies that Jesus' death by crucifixion never took place but the bible tells is Christians that it did.
You make it sound as if in Christianity, Women were the only one's who were cursed. Both Men,Women & The Serpent were cursed
yes. it certainly is an anti woman quote. nearly every human society is prejudice against women. in christianity women are cursed with the requirement to obey their husband.
this is why laws much be justified with logic and reason independent of 1000 year old texts.
self defense, how?
It seems to be encouraging self defense and the superiority of males
Is Chapter 4 verse 34 of the Quran encouraging self defense? "Men are the protectors and maintainers of Women, as Allah has given some of them an advantage over others, and because they spend out of their wealth. The good women are obedient, guarding what Allah would have them guard. As for those from whom you fear disloyalty, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, then strike them. But if they obey you, seek no way against them. Allah is Sublime, Great."
Even if you follow a specific religion, you can't criticize the other religions. All religions are equal and so is Islam.
Muhammad was not a false Prophet. He preached the ideals of equality between men and women, generosity, charity and faith. To improve the conditions of women who had been abandoned by their husbands, he married them and gave them the desired freedom in that era. He believed in One God and so do the other religions. In the Articles 14-18 of the Indian Constitution, equality of all religions has been stated as well as elucidated. So we have no rights to question Islam or to question Prophet.
I do not mean it is guilty of their crimes, I mean that the teachings are ineffective. I am glad they are working for you, we were just pointing out that it does not work for many.
however, the defense remains that Islam promoted violence only in self defense, and had strict rules on how to treat those who surrender (very well). is self defense wrong?
While I don't recall mentioning about Hindu's or Hinduism, I will say that, If a teacher teaches people something & they interpret the teaching as the teacher inciting violence, the teacher cannot be blamed unless he is proven and quoted to have encouraged it, only then can he be held responsible. In Christianity, Jesus, Whose teachings christians follow, generally teaches non-violence, He says to be as wise as a serpent (which can be misinterpreted as something negative) & to be as Harmless as a dove. If His followers act violently, He cannot be held responsible because He commanded them not to be that way. So those horrible acts of violence were not taught by Jesus & therefore Christianity cannot be held accountable.
I'm sorry, I didn't understand your most recent post but I do wish to follow up on this one.
if a teacher teaches a good lesson but the vast majority if his students become scumbags... there must be something wrong with the lesson. it is counter productive.
as for the earth... it's not about the earth lasting from the sun. it's about the earth forming from the leftovers of the sun. you cant have leftovers from the sun without a sun. furthermore it is known that our sun is not the first generation of stars, and anything that could make a rocky world was formed in the fusion reactions in stars.... so saying that the earth predates stars is even more senseless then it predating the sun. Islam cleverly avoided this problem by simply being too vague to mean anything chronologically. It was more... poetic then descriptive
by hindu do you mean the people, or the faith? because the hindu creation is even more fantastical.
if you don't agree with some one that does not mean the other one is wrong , see From my perspective, religion were created to create a time table and make a person busy, in Islam you can see it, it does not allow you to have a free time ,ok let me explain in past not every person was the Leonardo and every one was having lots of free time, so when you are not thinking creative so you are you know that kind of thinking crimes or drugs or wine, so these religions were the trick to keep you busy in finding peace, knowledge , but after few decades human mind started to create it's own perception, and the religion which was created to keep you away from wrong things became the thing to keep you doing wrong . so now we know the one who has created the religion was/is a human too because if he was/is a god or creator, he should have this idea by 21 century people will not have time for their own work, so let's create it in this way that it will allow them to do their work and then.
so every religion has it's problem, no one can say that our religion does not have a single body count, .....stop saying that his religion is wrong,
before pointing your finger check what your religion has done in past , only time has changed my friends, before it was some one's now it is other's religion....
I am a Hindu, and a proud one but I know what we have done.......
You seem to have missed his point. Islam, which teaches you to use violence to defend yourself was much more tolerant than Christianity. If Christianity is supposed to be about tolerance and love, then it has failed. It has failed in absolutely epic proportions. Christianity, historically, has been one of the leas
And what about things like the crusades? That was the head the of the Christian religion (catholic religion anyway) telling people that if they go to the middle east and kill Muslims then all their other sins will be forgiven. Catholics believe the Pope is infallible. If that were true then that is literally the God calling for the murder of Muslims.
You have failed to understand my point. In order for you to be able to condemn Christianity for anything as dispicable as that, it has to teach it. The bible makes it clear that one should love their enemies & that if someone fails to acknowledge information when you give it to them the first two times then that person's ignorance is no longer your problem because the bible makes it clear that we are to share our faith & be prepared to give an answer for it. Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't count as being intolerant. And personally, I don't see any scientific problems with the earth lasting just a day or two without the Sun
in christianity, the earth is created before the sun and the stars.... that's ridiculously unscientific.
although most of the teachings of jesus are exemplary, historically, Christian societies have been amongst the most intolerant, so if christianity tried to teach tolerance and love, it failed miserably.
the whole turn the other cheek nonsense is unrealistic and stupid. Islam, based on actual events experienced by the young religion, taught its followers to stand up to bullies and invaders, however it also taught them to embrace and forgive those same invaders once they throw down their weapons.
these, realistic teachings have lead to every preww1 Muslim society being inclusive and diverse. for example, Muslim Spain was the only nation that actually allowed Jews to live in peace and stability. once Christians took over, they lead brutal inquisitions. and Spain is not alone. every Christian majority nation persecuted Jews, pagans, gypsies... even other Christians.
And what do you mean that Christianity is just as violent as Islam? If you mean to say that many Christians have committed horrible acts of violence then I'm going to have to say that this statement is not valid because you cannot look at one or more christians (or any other religious person for that matter, including Muslims) committing violent acts & accuse their religion of inciting violence. You have to look at their actions and then see just how they relate to the religion. If the religion does not teach it, then the religion is not directly responsible.
Scientific error about sunset
Sura 18: 83-86 "And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain.say " I shall recite to you something of his story." Verily, we establish him in the earth, and we gave him the means of everything.So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water.And he found near it a people.
- The Qur'an clearly states the sun sets in a "spring of black muddy water" & that people live there.
Explain this, and believe me there's more
Religion: Commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance. (Merriam-Webster) doesn't matter if you believe in it's practices it is still a religion. perhaps the question being asked should be worded differently
I'm hardly an expert on Islam. But the Quran is much more related to real world events than the Bible is. The bible is mostly stories intended to teach lessons and have little direct relation to the real world. The Quran included lots of references to what were at the time, current events. A quick search would suggest the passage you are referring to was specifically referencing the Expedition of Tabuk which was a campaign responding to aggression by the Byzantine Romans which included the assassination of a Muslim diplomat.
If you take that passage out of context of when it was written and other verses that describe how and when to use violence, then you could interpret it to be instructing wars of aggression. But if you include the correct context to the passage then it means something very different.
And just to add to that, Christianity has historically been just as violent and much more repressive than Islam has been. I think all religions are false religions, but Islam is in no way worse than Christianity where violence is concerned.
Agreed, but I'm not just picking on Muslims because of terrorist attacks but the fact of the matter is that isn't a surprise because their Holy Book (Their Prophet) commands them to do so. Chapter 9 verse 29 of the Qu'ran says "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Terrorism is not limited to Muslims. There are alot of christian terrorists too. There are WAY more terrorist attacks by Christians in america than by Muslims. But people tend not to call them terrorist attacks if the culprit is Christian.
I mainly brought up Islam because The Prophet, Mohammed, promotes physical violence & Hostility against Non-muslims in the Quran. It is no wonder we suffer Islamic terrorist attacks. If you wish to argue that it's taken out text, provide reasons why? (That's if the person reading this right now is Muslim). The reason I said what I said about Christianity is because I genuinely am not sure about it.
Yeah, it's pretty clear that the prompt was posted as a way to leave Christianity as the final option. Which is a valid reason, that's what this platform is for, but Nemiroff was definitely right in bringing up all religions (including Christianity) as false (as far as we believe).
I know, but I made that statement about all religions. also it's hard to go by hadiths since not all of the are accepted. there are many gospels in christianity, but only 4 are cannon. for example, nobody follows the teachings of the gospel of Thomas.
btw, can you give examples to back up your many accusations?
I didn't say anything about Christianity. But according the Quran & the Hadith (Mohamed was a liar, Pedophile, slave abuser, rapist, sex addict, a bad scientist and more)
agreed. except I feel the same way about christianity and all religions.