The debate "Islam is not a religion of peace" was started by
February 15, 2015, 1:48 am.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.
sickboyblonde posted 7 arguments, I_Voyager posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
MoCha posted 4 arguments, asaru posted 1 argument, Armihakhan posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
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All post-Christian religions mix and mingle humane statements with inhumane statements. I'll agree that judging the behaviour of Muslims doesn't describe the religion. Some Muslims are violent, many are peaceful; so it is with most of humanity. And Islam, being a religion, touches in many human topics in many ways. This includes what appears to be occasional flashes of anger on account of the author, and those hotflashes include violent measures to solve often arbitrary problems and to keep Islam 'pure'.
The thing is, Islamic values include maintaining an oppressive state where the act of questioning must occur in such a narrow set of protocols that pushing those boundaries means death, exile or poverty. Whipping adulterers, beheading apostates, are all violence. And Islamic states thrive on this - Islam is not freedom, Islam is a state control system of slavery. Islam is taking pride in being a slave to Allah.
You may be peaceful and forgiving. Your natural bias may, inside yourself, emphasise those passages which are peaceful and loving as being more representative than others which are worse. And in its application, you and you your family may live peacefully. But your moral nature, no more than the immoral nature of ISIS types, describes Islam. The quran, and the grand result of its application in a total context, when critiqued, describes Islam. And there is no evidence that Islam works great or has within ig great truths. It in ethos and practice when observed, resembles social control and state tyranny. It is indistinguishable from fiction, and only appears true when it is presumed true or re-interpreted to mean things other than what is literally true. It's best non-interpritive proponents fail to make convincing arguments - reality is and is then described, laws and morals are human thought structures we use to govern these temporary forms and aims. The natures of the universe and our position determine a threshold for behaviours we need to follow if we want to continue as a species. They are the a priori reality and they need no law maker to form them. Only human systems appear to be the fact of creation - even then, more of a repurposing - and our natures which so repurpose appear to bs rooted in the greater natures of the universe, with no evidence of an immaterial soul or free will in sight. Ongoing is the basic information transfer of divisive parts in motion in a complex quantum soup of probability. We are those realities. This is reality.
Islam is just peace , peace & peace , If some Muslims don't follow Islam , it does not direct to defame Islam .Quran is full with the lessons of Humanity .
A statement of Quran is here ,
" Murder of a one Human being is the murder of Humanity (as a whole )"
Even Islam doesn't demonstrates only Human , But also peace & care for Animals
Read the quran. It's like "don't be afraid, this is a good book to show you the way to peace (if you're a believer). the non believer sucks (because we made him a non-believer). we'll throw him in the fire and burn (away his skin) and then regrow the skin and burn him again, because allah is most merciful.
Muslims are just people. People do people things. But for all the quranic verses saying this is a happy book, it gets really dark from time to time. If Allah actually exists and Islam was the real faith, I'd give him a big ol' middle finger for his failures and immoral nature.
these are just a few of the hundreds of quotes in the Quran that promote violence.
Quran (5:33) indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
quran (3:151)We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
Quran 3:56 And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
Quran (8:12) when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
you are blind if you don't believe these quotes are a call to violence and war. Checkmate. Also, comparing a woman to a student is repressive and also incorrect. Your way of thinking is so backwards friend.
man dont simply beat his wife out of no reason. if the wife commits mischief then only the husband has the right to it. it just like a teacher punish a student. the husband like i said cannot go beyond the prescribed limit.
proof to me which verse in al-quran that support your point. for #1 & #2
@asaru I'm sorry, I don't exactly know what you mean. google translate is not very good lol.
@mocha would you like the direct quotes out of the Quran that prove you wrong?
@mocha have you even read the Quran? you literally just said the facts out of the Qur'an I told you weren't true (at least for #1 and #2). As for number three, its still domestic abuse. Despite conditions one must follow. Do you even hear yourself?
Islam does not like it. Islam always respect the beliefs of others. the terrorists who claim Islam is just stupid people who do not use the science relating to understand the Qur'an. they understand the verse equated war on the current conditions (peace). the context of the verse should be adjusted also during the war. because that's the fool that kill non-Muslims and claim to Islam (the original not because behavior deviate from the teachings of Islam).
sry, if my grammar is wrong (because i'm using google translate)
***** no blame on you
@sickboyblonde you misinterpret the quran my friend.
1) we dont simply kill the non-believer, the quran only allows to kill those who embrace Islam but later denounced it. Thus, if you aren't Muslim from the beginning i.e you're non-muslim since you were born then there's no blame only. The reason is protect the sacredness of Islam. But i dont think it's in practice
2) we dont kill people who mock prophet. It's certainly wrong. what had happen in france is condemned by the Muslim itself
3) There are conditions attached to that. if your wife disobey you. you must first advice her. if she refuse the advice you must separate the bedroom. if she still disobey then you can beat her. the act of beating must not leave any mark. it's only a light beating. All these things must be follow in order. it means you cannot beat her without first advice her.
@mocha actually there are several passages in the Quran that obviously promote hate. We have ones for non believers and how they should be decapitated. We have ones to murder those who mock the profit. We have ones that justify beating your wife if she isn't obedient, etc, etc. Actually, ISIS, in my opinion have a better understanding of the Quran than most. They follow it literally. I've read the Quran and it is not a book that teaches peace. Please, do your research before defending an entire religion.
People nowdays judged Islam based on certain groups which the muslims itself denounced these groups as representing Islam. Such as Isis and Boko haram. Their actions arent islamic. Islam like the other religions prohibit murder. These so-called Islamic groups act based on their whim not because the Islam told them to do so.
Thus, if people appreciate the true Islam, these things wont happen.