The debate "Israelis should all leave the land of Palestine" was started by
June 29, 2017, 10:56 pm.
By the way, ThePhilosopher is disagreeing with this statement.
3 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 8 people are on the disagree side.
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It looks like most people are against to this statement.
ThePhilosopher posted 8 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments, ThePhilosopher posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
3 visitors agree.
ThePhilosopher, slh92, Nemiroff, SalonY and 4 visitors disagree.
I respond ad hominem to ad hominem. Just like i troll trolls. Ok dumb dumb?
Lol! nemiroff is an inbred goatf***er whose father f***ed him as a child, no wonder hes so angry! tell me bitch, how are you going to call him an idiot and stupid AND THEN CLAIM HE IS USING AD HOMINEM?!?! Did you give your father AIDs or did he give it to you first? You always claim i insult you but the reality is here. Philosopher didnt insult you even once, whereas you insulted him out of the blue multiple times because yourr an incest- child goatf***er loool! dirty crying liberal bitch that cant take when they lose. Anyway, theres nothing special here. All it is is you lost another debate as usual and started using insults. Libtard snowflake lmao.
Just cause I started at the beginning doesn't mean I'm ignorant of the rest. however that was the groundwork for the rest of the conflict. as you said this conflict is long, although since the 1920s it's been over 90 years so you should really work on your math.
Israel has done many things wrong since then, but the Palestinians have never stopped commiting terrorism either. so your acting like they are just innocent victims shows your own bias. both parties are guilty and none are blame free.
please cite Zionist violence in the 1920s, but regardless, your jumping to conclusions because I didnt tackle an entire century of history in a single debate post only shows your own utter stupidity. there is nothing more logical than starting at the beginning of a violence cycle. i would be more than happy to follow the full course of history when you decide to debate without ad hominem attacks and idiotic assumptions.
zionists were launching terror attacks against both Palestinians and British people even in the 1920s*
The Palestinians response is fully justified, however, whereas the zionist one is not. If i lived in an estate with large empty lands but then some gypsies just came and occupied it and then i finally kicked them out but then your gypsy family came to live in there, dont you think youre going to leave with a beating if you dont leave when i ask you to peacefully?
You do realise we are living around 70 years after it already happened right? Because you talk as though you are completely unaware of anything that happened in Palestine since then, as though it hasnt happened already. Your lie that they just wanted to peacefully set up homes has been disproven by history itself.
They wanted to set up a Jewish state in land that is rightfully that of the Palestinians. And what do all states have? A military. So Im going to pretend you didnt make the implication that a Jewish state wasnt going to create a military (as we know it did).
Also, you should check up on your history because zionists were also launching terror attacks against both Palestinians AND British people in Palestine, and they continued to do it in the next following decades by murdering UN diplomats.
I say this because your knowledge of history is too finite for such a debate. You seem to be unaware of basic facts regarding that the Palestiniams did negotiate with the Israelis and the UN regarding territory and then the zionists killed the diplomats. Not only that but the Geneva Accord in the 2000s aimed to solve all disputes regarding settlements and Jerusalem etc
and it was agreed to by Palestinian and Israeli diplomats but rejected by the zionist "government".
I did not need to give such a comprehensive response to your poorly thought out argument anyway because it is all fractured with my US empty lands analogy from the other argument.
However a recommendation would be that you study the facts regarding the matter in greater detail since you have little knowledge regarding what the zionists actually wanted.
They desired to create a state. Yet at the time they moved with their families and simply started new peaceful lives.
I want to become a billionaire. I'm not willing to kill and steal my way to it. Just cause they has a desired ideal goal doesn't mean you get to blame them before they commit a crime.
And the desire was for a jewish home. I have a home, I'm not the only one that lives there, but I can call it my home with confidence. They could have lived together, but the Palestinians never even sent a representatives to talk. even while they were the only ones launching attacks against Jew with no Jewish counter violence for an entire decade 1920 to 1930.
Perhaps the jews were willing to share the land, perhaps not, we will never know because the Palestinians refused to hold any talks while the jews and British asked them repeatedly. We cannot know what the jews would have asked but we do know that the Palestinians acted to the jews the way American republicans act towards any migrant non white group. "oh hell no, get the F out"
Palestinians never owned this country (at least the last 500 years) and never had government there. also considering the vast emptiness of the land, it should have been easy to share the nation, the Arabs keep every inch of land and village they currently have, and build a great nation together. imagine how strong Israel could have been if it could concentrate on economy and forget all the military and terrorism?
The so-called Jews have always wanted to set up a nation there. Are you actually suggesting that they would just move there and accept themseleves as part of an Arab state, surely you are aware that zionism has been a movement for a JEWISH STATE in Palestine since the 19th century. Right? Either you dont know these facts or youre pretending not to, but theyre pretty basic if you want to debate this topic.
the jews didn't come and set up a nation, they just came and set up homes. the nation came to be nearly a half century later
I have already put my argument.
I believe brother you have finally lost it. If you have ran out of arguments, admit to it like a real man. dont make me lose the little respect i had for you. I want to believe that there is something left inside of you, something righteous.
Now, indeed i care not for thereal since both of you are as bad as each other. One insults the other and then the other insults back and cries about being insulted. You are like the bickering tribes of Judah which moses had to lead and since Moses hated such foolish bickering, so shall i hate it too.
haha u are definitely the real. this is actually quite funny. btw when u make another account u might want to change how you talk and your overall attitude to stuff or else you will look suspicious. also nice touch for the Muslim thing but it takes more than that to change an identity.
Well if leaving an ignorant man speechless with knowledge is an attribute of thereal, i will gladly take on such a title. You are nothing different from the ignorant pagans of whom our prophets had to deal with. Islam is the light and as a Muslim it is my duty to inform you on the justice to which you turn your back against.
you sound a lot like the real.
And you do realise that the USA, despite all its fancy development and infastructure is still mostly empty space? The Arabs would do nothing wrong if they decided to move to the countryside in the USA and create their own nation on empty plots of land. Your argument is flawed.
You do realize that Israel even today with all the fancy cities and development the jews have done... is still mostly empty space and desert? 100 years ago, it was even more empty. tel Aviv was built on a desolate patch of desert.
The jews didn't do anything wrong just by moving and starting lives on empty plots of land.
did you read the post? I put plenty of reasons on there and none of them had to do with skin color(poor excuse by the way) or if they were lead by Moses.
I assume you are aware that genetic research in ISRAEL has found that Israelites were dark skinned, yes?
Oh please, quote where i "insulted" you. It is also rich coming from you after having seen some of your debates. Yet i will forgive you for your offences to the community on this app.
Regarding the debate, you presented 0 once again in terms of objective argument. Is it not a known fact that the Israelis are not in fact Israelites but rather white Europeans? Unless you actually believe Moses led Vikings out of Egypt, you have to be lying to yourself. The brother must refrain from irrational proposals.
what also doesn't look good is personal insults.
so your plan is to kick thousands of people out of their country? they have lived there forever too. everyone fights over it because they all believe it's promised to them. then group a goes and kills some of group b which starts thousands of years of war over dirt. you want a solution to it then stop acting like children and cooperate with each other because they all have a right to it.
No they dont. The Palestinians who have been living there for thousands of years have the right to that land. Not some white european "Jews" who emigrated from Germany and then assassinated UN diplomats. It was Hitler who supposedly killed the Jews so if they were to create a Jewish state, they shouldve created it in WEST GERMANY. Unfortunately my friend, this is a debate and as such you must give intelligent arguments. Blindly stating "they all have a right to be there" because you are a Christian with no logical argument to back it up does not look good on your part.
they all have a right to be there.