The debate "It's impossible to be born homosexual. It's a choice" was started by
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You could have a self-harming thought without being dead. We aren't discussing thoughts. We are discussing whether who you are attracted to is a choice. Was your thought "I find people of the same gender attractive, does that mean I am gay?" If not, you will need to be a bit more specific.
If I have a homosexual thought, am I gay?
Question for writer of this question, did you choose to be heterosexual? The answer is likely no. Your question has been answered.
it isn't about control. you could control yourself and never have sex or touch another human being. you would still have a sexual preference even if you refused to act on it.
whether or not someone represses who they are, they would still be gay.
can you control yourself?
Who are you to say that they can't control their selves?
It's impossible to be born homosexual because when you are born you don't understand that surrounds you
Have you had the same desire for a man walking by? That's the difference. Gay people are no different in their desires or ability to control themselves, it is who they desire that is different. Do you choose who you are attracted to?
yeah, we learn self control, but you are free to leave the woman you thought you loved and join the woman you realized you really love.
for the gay man, you are denying any form of legitimate relationship, new or old. this isn't about a liberal choice or limited choice, it's about they can't make any legitimate choice.
If I have a girlfriend and I see another woman an I have a desire to be with her, I will have that desire. What matters is that I make the choice to be loyal, or to cheat. You don't call me a cheater if I have a desire, you call me a cheater for doing the action of cheating.
we certainly do! mostly sports but also in armies.
as long as they don't harm others, it's fine. and if they are exceptionally good at violence, we crown them champions. that's very much encouragement for many.
if they just want to live with the person they feel in love with, why the hell would you try to stop that.
people are naturally violent in some cases. should we encourage that behavior too?
you don't believe in gayness.... then don't be gay. it's that simple. stop screwing with other peoples lives. their freedom isn't infringing on yours, your infringing on theirs.
but they are naturally attracted to the same sex, they fall in love with a person of the same sex. these are natural urges that swell up inside of them outside of their control. your telling them to not act on these natural urges and force themselves to either be celebate, or to live with a body that does nothing for them, romantically or sexually.
you are forcing them to live a lie, forbidding them to pursue their happiness, and sentencing them to a life of misery.
and it's your choice that's doing that, not theirs. they have no choice and as far as most history goes, you had the power, not them.
so we're back to the question Dave asked you. does that mean you could choose to be gay?
wait no. i am not stating to force anything on anypne at all. we all deserve free will if we are not hurting anyone but im not going to say that this person has no choice. that he cant help having sex with the same sex. that he cant help choose to have a preferance. that our preferances arent influenced and change and evolves
so we are back to the urge is natural, but their choice to not repress these urges is why they are wrong. I already replied to this:
"your right that homosexual actions are choice, but the urges are not. I'm not just talking about sexual urges but romantic ones as well. you don't fall in love with the love of your life in the gender you are not attracted to.
you are forcing on them a life of misery that has less to do with their choices/actions, and more to do with your choices and actions."
and no, the natural attraction to the one you fall in love with is not the same type of urge as a drug addiction. it is a default urge we will all experience regardless of substances, and it is much closer to a need than an addiction. (that was your previous counter)
I'm not saying being excited or having desire is a choice, but pursuing it is
activities food ppl funny. there is food we all use to like but no longer find interesting because we evolve. same with activities and ppl
so the only reason your straight is because someone didn't show you a gay porn mag as a kid? that's funny.
you never found a dressed women erotic? of course. have you ever given a man a second look? probably not.
is that something you had to learn? maybe you really are gay if those things aren't true. what gets you excited isn't a choice. from activities, to food, to people, you either like something or you dont. you don't choose.
So you describe gay people as them having to be gay their entire lives? Because I'm pretty sure at some point they were straight
Yes I could choose to find the same sex attractive if I would like to but I do not want to find out because I am not curious.
you have to look for the groups of ex-lgbt people. there's at least one group on Facebook.
famous former: Anne Haiche (or however you spell it)
I get that. I meant the people who had responded had avoided the question.
everybody's busy including me. LIFE.
It is amazing that none of 5he people who believe it to be a choice have addressed my question. Could you choose to find the same sex attractive?
What definition are you working from? Gay means being attracted to the same sex, straight means being attracted to the opposite sex, and bisexual means being attracted to both. If someone has been attracted to both sexs, which definition fits?
And yet you will continue to do so.
Could you give examples of some of these "many people"?
if they are sexually attracted to the opposite sex then they weren't gay. how is that a difficult concept?
Is it arrogant to tell another person what they think? To try and tell them that they were always busexual when they were gay and turned straight?
Not true, there have been many people who were gay who became straight.
Historybuff there are straight people who use to PREFER romantic sexual relationships with the opposite sex but lost interest completely and became homosexual. so there bisexual even though theyre not the definition of what bisexuality actually is. it seems to me no ome wants to accept the idea that its a sexual preferamce rather than choice. sure it might physically change the brain but our braim continues to change and form as we grow. preferamce is a real thing. so tehy were never straight to begin with eveb though they fit the definition of straight. they just dont fit YOUR defintion. which shouldnt matter because were sticking to what actually is right
no one who is gay becomes heterosexual. either they were bisexual to begin with, at which point they have a choice, they pretend to be straight to fit in with societal norms, or they put enough pressure on themselves to suppress that part of themselves.
I would hope you don't need to be told that repression causes all sorts of psychological and physiological problems.
How about the people who were gay and became heterosexual? My main point if the alcohol analogy was to focus on desire.
I'm pretty sure that you're not particularly interested in having sex with anyone at the moment you're born.
You have actually proven my point nicely. We aren't talking about homosexual acts, we are talking about being homosexual. There is a distinction.
Are you capable of choosing to love someone of the same sex? A simple yes or no should answer. If you can be attracted to and love someone of the opposite sex, you are heterosexual. If you can be attracted to and love someone of the same sex, you are homosexual. If you can be attracted to either sex, you are bisexual.
addictions are unnatural. unless they were fed alcohol in the womb, no child is born craving alcohol or drugs.
this is different. sexual attraction is instinctual. that and unlike addictions, homosexuality doesn't affect your health.
I meant to say shouldn't in the last sentence of my last argument
I have sexual urges to want to look at women and such, bur I don't act on those urges even though my body wants that. Love isn't based on attraction. If you marry someone, you should do it not because you like how they look, buf because you love them.
A person with addictions will have desires, right? The thing that matters is whether they act those out. I can want to drink alcohol, nothing wrong with that, but its fueling my addiction if I do
Just because some people are addicted to alcohol doesn't mean all people are. I don't have that desire, but I know others do, and it just matters whether you act on it or not
If it is a choice, you should have no trouble making it. Go out and choose to find people of the same sex attractive. Just for one day, choose to be gay. If you can't, what makes you think others can?
your right that homosexual actions are choice, but the urges are not. I'm not just talking about sexual urges but romantic ones as well. you don't fall in love with the love of your life in the gender you are not attracted to.
you are forcing on them a life of misery that has less to do with their choices/actions, and more to do with your choices and actions.
I agree that it's a choice because if it wasn't then it's like saying that you can chose to have a vagina or a penis at birth...that makes no sense!So to be born homosexual is highly impossible.
No, you could claim that the acting on being gay is a choice, but with or without actions a person who desires the same sex is gay.
Unless you can decide to become gay, you cannot honestly claim someone else can choose to.
Nobody's forced to be gay. You can have desires to want to be with a man, but desires are not actions. It's the choicenthat determines it
ur the greatest
Well, at least I now know who not to engage in a debate then.
No ur the real troll here sir. U dont deserve to be here.
thedebator is just a troll. he has no interest in actually debating.
Im sorry blake i cant help it. These people need jesus.
Listen guys, there's no reason to insult each other.
if you had learned to read you'd know famous lorie was a woman. but reading is clearly not you strong suit.
@lorie and others
please don't leave this app because of this single troll. he is only one, and despite the lack of a block button, he isn't that hard to ignore.
No ur just describing urself buddy. get a life
wow. I really hope you are just a 12 year old troll. because if you actually believe that you are one sick, twisted individual.
Gays are genetically impaired. They are unatural and dangerous society destroying mutants.
No U Are...
Naw Naw Man, Gays choose and it aint natural and satanic and straight is holy and natural.
Are U a homo cause that sensitive nonsense is something only THEY would say...
So are you saying you aren't really attracted to the opposite sex? You just choose to be? Are you A-sexual? While you can choose who you want to be with, whether that is because you are attracted to them, or because of the Bible, or because of societies rules, yes you can make that choice. I can choose not to eat potatoes, whether it's to avoid getting fat, or because I don't want to support the Idaho potato company, or whatever, I can choose not to eat them. But that doesn't stop my taste buds from wanting them. And there is no reason that anyone accept my doctor who should tell me that I should not be able to get fat and enjoy them if I want to as long as I am not hurting anyone else. Furthermore, this idea of women were made for men, that is a load of crap, if you think the only use for men and women to be together is for baby making, then tell that to the next infertile man or woman you come across. You are basically saying they are useless just like homosexuals are to you. Have you ever had an orgasm? It's an amazing natural thing that our bodies have been gifted to produce by God or some unknown way, that every good person deserves to experience with no shame. And as long as it doesn't involve force or illegal minors then there is nothing wrong with that. Again you may choose who you are with, but you can not choose how your body and mind react to that person. And do you think you could reach that orgasm with the same sex as you? Would you want to be forced into a life of no sex or life with someone you were repulsed by?
ohhh okay i changed the vote sorry that i made it confusing.
As a gay guy these types of discussions uses to really offend me; now they make me laugh at how stupid people can actually be. If I CHOSE to be gay then please comment and tell me when you CHOSE to be straight. Was it a nice sunny afternoon on a Wednesday in a train station? I'm curious.
Please provide evidence that homosexuality is a choice. You are making an argument by assertion without evidence to support your claim. As others and myself have pointed out, try and be attracted to the same sex. Can you yourself choose to be gay? If being gay is a choice, then so is being straight....
i agree, it's a choice unless you are mentally impaired and unable to know that. At the end of the day, it will always be a choice to love another man. This is 200% the truth. The question is if it's wrong? In that case it is not wrong if that's what you're heart desires but to be fair, a woman was created to be for man and looking at it from that point, it is indeed wrong. Should it be a sin? NO. Should they go to hell? No. With that all said, again it's a choice all always to turn away from the thing you desire
Other animals are gay
Homosexuality is not a choice! I am a heterosexual woman. I like men! I don't choose to like men, I for real get hot and bothered when I am attracted to a man. I didn't decide to like men because society or the bible or my parents said I should. While I think there are many sexy women out there, even women I am sure could please me very well, but my loins just don't quiver at the thought of being with a woman, even if the world or the bible or whoever says they should. Its not possible to change your taste buds! If you hate tomatoes you hate tomatoes. There's no magic trick to make you start loving them. Should you be forced to eat tomatoes for the rest of your life? Or be told that if you don't like tomatoes you don't have the right to have any vegetables at all? Everyone deserves to have whatever love or vegetables they desire.
Some people are born straight, others are not. Do you have any real argument to support the idea of sexual orientation being a choice or the impossibility of genetic factors?
If you really think it is a choice, than why don't you try and choose 'turning gay' right now?
Because you cannot, it is not possible to chose your own sexsuallity and the gender you will love, it is process of nature. It is what we want that we are after, like we'd be animals we go after the thing that we want.
It's like you would make a wolf eat only herbs and forest fruit, the first chance he would get he would still choose meat, because that is what it wants.
So if after 30 days of you 'turning gay' you'll still think you can choose to be gay, lasbien, bisexual, asexual and so on I would love to hear from you.
Also note that the claim is that: "it's IMPOSSIBLE to be born homosexual. It's a choice". So by agreeing with the claim you are dismissing any possibility of homosexuality being genetic, that it must be a choice. So you should be able to offer some sort of evidence in order to dismiss a genetic factor; in fact you must be able to dismiss all explanations to homosexuality except choice.
If being gay is a choice, then anyone should be able to choose to be gay. So if you can't choose to be attracted to guys, then why do you believe others are able to make that choice? If being gay is solely dictated by choice, then anyone and everyone must be able to choose to be gay.
The reason that I'm asking you for evidence to support your opinion is because you're treating your opinion as the defacto position on the subject when there may be any number of reasons why someone is gay. Choice seems like a very unlikely explanation however. Do animals make a conscious choice to be gay too? Why are homosexuals so adamant about it not being a choice? Why can't I choose to be attracted to men? Try as I might, I simply can't be aroused by other men..... Why do gay conversion treatments fail more often than not? If it's simply a matter of choice, then shouldn't we have much better success with these kinds of "treatments"? Why are there such strong links between genetic factors and homosexuality (odds go up if you have older brother, twin studies showing a strong genetic correlation, why did a study of 800 gay men find similar genetic information on the x and 8th chromosome which are not found on straight men, etc....?
Source for the 800 men study
By the way, the team of researchers who conducted the above study actually wanted to disprove the notion that homosexuality is genetic.
can you not turn your question around? Is a person born straight or does a person choose to be straight? I'm lost with your rhetoric, don't know what point you are getting at
I don't know what point you are trying to make here
why do I need evidence of it being a choice or not when there is no evidence that one is born gay?
There is actually far more evidence to support the notion that homosexuality is not a choice than there is for homosexuality being a choice.
Again, can you choose to start being gay? Could you all of a sudden choose to be attracted to the same sex @bigb?
Neither have you established that homosexuality is a choice though.... So if you're going to demand evidence to support a position, you should demand the same level of evidence from both sides. Since there is no evidence for homosexuality being a choice, only rhetoric, how can you support the position that homosexuality is a choice?
If science has yet to prove of a "gay gene" then I can't comply with the idea a person is born gay, that's what I'm saying. We can debate this subject all day, but science hasn't proven it
About 10% of rams are exclusively homosexual, there are about 1,000 species of animals in which homosexuality has been observed....
Furthermore, homosexuality may be a multi allele gene, may be impacted by environment, etc... which makes it very complicated to find a "gay gene".
We are also still not sure how homosexuality actually works. In a recent study they found that 100% of the females they tested were aroused by homosexual images. Now, that doesn't mean that 100% of females will act on those arousals, but it does tell us that we don't really know a lot about sexuality. For anyone to claim they know homosexuality is a choice is just absurd. If you're waiting for the evidence to support one side or the other then you must by default be neutral on the topic.
The whole choice thing is a little contrived and a more absurd position to take however. As psychdave has said, could you simply choose to be gay? If you can't, then why do you think others could?
Are humans not animals? I ask because is it not an animal instinct to procreate and to keep the species going? We've had this debate in the past many times, I can't believe someone is born gay until scientists can confirm the "gay gene" as it has been referred to
For this to be true you must have made the decision not to be gay. Could you choose to find those of the same gender attractive? If you cannot choose to be gay, how can you honestly expect others not to be?