The debate "It should be assumed that there is no afterlife until proven otherwise. Not the other way around." was started by
March 22, 2015, 2:32 am.
15 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 18 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
dominic posted 1 argument, project_mayhem posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 4 arguments, Getmurked posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
project_mayhem, Devinc25, Francis01, Bodaciouslady16, Sosocratese, Cormi98, dominic, Untamed, transfanboy and 6 visitors agree.
Getmurked, PsychDave, Harold_isaacs, ghettoturtle217, Electrogoose, Fromage, Gordonchm, pecker, judge and 9 visitors disagree.
I understand and I agree that people should focus on living their life in the best way they can. I just wanted to illustrate that if you take solace in belief in life after death in some form, it does more good than harm (barring views that require harming others to get in).
You also may want to look into the Psychology Today article about evidence of the human soul by Robert Lanza. I don't know that it is enough to convince me, but it is interesting to see people of scientific background speculating on the existence of a soul.
Sure. Im open to the idea of ghosts. Ive even visited haunted hospitals, graveyards, and some creeks where ghosts were supposedly seen. Though i didn't see or feel any floating spirits, I dont automatically discount it. But Eye witnesses and personal experiences arent substantial evidence that ghosts exist. If it is, then almost all religions are true; and we know that cant be possible since religions contradict each other. Not to mention if that ghosts are roaming our planet, it would contradict religion's belief in afterlife.
I understand your point Dave, I just misinterpreted what you meant. My apologies.
We know that we are stardust and the result of billions of years of evolution. We are simply 1/10000 species that has survived to this point. There is no logical reason to believe we get an extended experience after death apart from all other species. it makes much more sence that we would simply not exist as we were before we were born. I also believe the fear of spending the rest of eternity being tormented can mess with ones mind.
My argument and plea is that people should focus on living this life which we know its real versus dedicating it to a fantasy life which has no evidence
I cannot confirm or deny the existence of an afterlife. But your statement that there are many religions that believe in eternal torment so believing in one increases the risk of being condemned in any or all of the others is inherently flawed. If you picked a faith at random, you have a 1 in 300 chance of not being condemned. If you choose none, you have a 0 in 300 chance since what you have put your faith in is oblivion. that is why you have nothing to lose by believing.
i understand my argument may be redundant at this point( especially to dave) but you seem to have called out something that i feel is as real as you and me, because of personal experiences, so i would like to say again, that the existence of ghosts, which is a soul, are definetly substantial. i myself have had an experience, but of course you will not believe me
i advise you to ask everyone around you if they had a paranormal experience, i guarantee a story will be told. go online and view personal witness accounts, read books, and perhaps take a trip to where ghosts are said to be. will you discount tons of people across the world? are they all insane, seeimg things or lying to you?
?You lose nothing if there is not since there is nothing to lose. ?
1. There are about 300 other religions that believe in eternal punishment. Most of which believe all humans will go unless they believe in their specific religion. So believers are risking going to the hell associated with all other religions.
2. If there is no afterlife, then people wasted their lives. Which is everything to lose.
?Only belief in god will keep you from doing bad?
1. Most people of this world believe in god, yet this world is still full of people doing bad. If the only thing keeping you from murdering someone is your belief in god, then you need help.
2. Countries such as Sweden and Denmark mainly consist of non-believers, and they seem to be doing fine.
The simple fact is that all life-forms end in death and the elements of which they are composed return to the air and the earth to be taken up and recycled in some new organism.
Now on what grounds can atheist make the claim that no-one has a supernatural ?soul??
1.There is no scientific evidence of anything super-natural.
2. There is no credible evidence that humankind is a unique creation by a deity.
3. There is no credible definition of a ?soul?.
4.Scientific evidence completely destroys all the concepts which are the basis for the existence of the ?soul?.
I'm not sure what you mean. It sounds like you are either agreeing with, or criticizing that only the fear of the afterlife prevents people from doing bad things. It's hard to tell which since tone doesn't carry through text, but I am interpreting it as criticism since you agreed that we should assume there is no afterlife. If the only thing stopping someone from being a monster is fear of the afterlife they aren't a good person, but is that really any different than people who only obey the law to avoid fines and jail time?
only the belive in god will keep you from doing bad!! if human beings are not believed that the afterlife do exist. there is no longer a great impact on human lives and behaviors. ppl wants to rise after dead just becuz the do believe in the religion
If there is no afterlife, nothing done in this life will have any influence on an individual after death, therefore it has no impact of behavior. If there is an after life, behavior in this life will be judged upon death, meaning people have to behave or be punished. So long as your religion doesn't call for hurting others, working from the assumption that there is an afterlife protects you if there is, and you lose nothing if there is not since there is nothing to lose.