The debate "Janet Jackson is one of the most valuable living women." was started by
February 19, 2017, 12:00 am.
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Najam1 posted 27 arguments to the agreers part.
thereal posted 1 argument, PsychDave posted 12 arguments to the disagreers part.
Najam1, Adrian, jazzyjay and 7 visitors agree.
neveralone, thereal, PsychDave, Pugsly and 10 visitors disagree.
Yes, if you went to another nation and trued to kill people for being gay since it is against your religion, you would likely be arrested. You don't get a free pass to kill people because you believe God told you to.
No, morals are not exclusive to "godly people" and immoral behavior is not exclusive to atheists. There are Muslims who murder, rape and steal and atheists who are moral. You have a very simplistic and childish world view. While atheists do not make "ungodly" acts illegal, they do make unethical acts illegal. If you want a run down of how morals can exist without the need for God, Existentialist did a great explanation on thereal's thread about philosophy. I'd be happy to explain it if you need, but he already did so more eloquently than I am likely to, so it seems pointless.
doesn't work that way. folks who don't believe in God have completely different rules from people who do.
That's why some places they will arrest and possibly execute you for getting caught participating in homosexuals sodomy, while some places will say it's okay for men to marry each other and bunk in prison.
Only Godly people ascribe to acknowledging ungodly acts as illegal.
You can try to kill the ungodly people in a foreign land who obey different laws, but they might end up arresting or killing you if you attempt to enforce your law on them.
Again though, unless you are in some way connecting beastiality to Janet Jackson, you are still babbling nonsense to hide the fact that you have no argument. You've lost. Concede gracefully and shut up.
Illegal according to the law, genius. That's the definition of illegal.
I would hope that the authorities would stop you if you decided to take the law into your own hands and punish people for breaking your religious rules. That is literally why the legal system exists.
As to your argument regarding beastiality, it is illegal. There are acts involving animals that the legal system apparently does not consider beastiality, but beastiality is illegal.
Again, I have traveled and I'm not afraid. You are the one living in fear of police, non-muslims, cannibals, killers, and anything else you think is out to get you.
Finally, no. Not "everyone already knows Muslims have authority over wrongdoing from Allah." Most people on this planet do not recognize your assumed authority. Catholics believe the Pope has such authority, which extends to the priesthood. Other denominations each have their own sources of moral authority, but all religions other than Islam reject your claim to divine authority. If you are going to lie, at least try to make it something that can't be simply dismissed so easily.
illegal according to who?
You and your false gods don't own the planet.
Allah is the one with jurisdiction planetary wide, you and your crooks would be arrested by the local authorities who declare the crimes are legal. Being a nonmuslim means you would have to obey the other nonmuslims in authority.
The nonmuslims in Canada would arrest you if you tried to enforce bestiality or homosexual sodomy divine law in their land.
You have to hide somewhere with armed men who won't even travel outside your own borders to prove your claim about your group have authority.
Everyone already knows Muslims have authority over wrongdoing from Allah.
It is you that is utterly missing the point. Cannibalism, necrophilia and beastiality are all illegal, regardless of being Muslim or not. The fact that she MAY be Muslim doesn't instantly elevate her above everyone because all of those things are abhored by nearly all of society.
That simple fact aside, why is she more valuable than other Muslim women? They theoretically are the enemies of such people as much as Janet Jackson, so why is she more valuable than them?
You are missing my point. That is merely a single category amongst the numerous scions of darkness one titled Muslim must forbid the evil of.
The people of necrophilia participate in extremely forbidden actions along with the people of bestiality. These things exist in the world. One doesn't have to literally be your next door neighbour to be your neighbor. So you miss the significance of her being a friend to Muslims for the value it is. She brings tremendous light and excellent reputation. Those type of people would not be permitted anywhere near her. I am sure they will flee that much further anytime she travels about.
Are you so incapable of reason that you missed the fact that I am not defending cannibalism? Unless Janet Jackson 8s going out fighting them, or at least vocally condemning them, it is not relevant to the topic.
Do you have any argument related to the topic, or are you still avoiding it because you are aware you have lost? If you respond with more cannibalism babble, I will take that as an admission of your loss.
Satan's strategy is always hide the criminals and only attack those who oppose the crooks.
I am not going to let you off the hook about our murderous common enemies on Earth you defer your qualms with, in favor of being an adversary to the likes of me.
I've read this link while trying to find some justification for your arguments (since you weren't actually giving any). The entire belief that she has converted is based on her appearing in what looks like Muslim garb. She has never professed to be Muslim that I could find, nor has she taken any kind of moral stance on the subject. If she really is Muslim, I don't see how her status as a celebrity makes her more valuable than any of the billions of people who share her faith.
Do you have any argument relevant to her value yet, or are you going to continue to play word games about cannibalism?
So again you are stating your opinion as though it means anything to anyone but yourself. You need to support your argument with evidence, not more of your opinions.
Could you give one quote in which Janet Jackson condemns cannibalism? I don't doubt she does, but you are condemning me for not doing so (in spite of the fact that I have) meaning you must have quotes in which she has.
You are right, I am not worried about Muslims eating me. That isn't because they are inherently more moral, it is because cannibals are vanishingly rare in developed nations. I definitely condemn those who do it in the nations you mentioned, but how exactly is that relevant to this debate?
Janet Jackson is better than you. She openly indicates her alliance against the cannibals and other crooks living here.
You minimize the damage and atrocities these people are conducting in Burma, Ugunda, Central Africa Republic, etc.
You refuse to speak against the killers and really savage people because you find that it's much easier to say bad things against their opponents.
You aren't worried about Muslims cannibalizing you, while we worry about them cannibalizing any human, even you. I am not saying that cannibals are the only murderous crooks on the planet, they are just easy for me to identify for you as clear, and obvious opponents to Muslims.
Since you don't seem to understand the idea, I will try to use little words for you. I can think killing innocent people and eating them is bad while also thinking you are an idiot. I'm not pretending there are no killers, you are just exaggerating both their numbers and danger to justify your fear of the world. If the world is full of people out to kill you, your attitude of fear and anger at anyone different is justified. If you admit that your fear is absurdly simplistic and childish, you have to reevaluate your life.
As to cowards being against you, what are you basing this on. I oppose you because your arguments are illogical and in many cases absurd. I don't believe in your mythos, so I don't believe the majority of the world is out to get me or in league with the devil. I have no problem condemning murderers, rapists, cannibals and torturers. I also have no problem pointing out where your arguments fall apart and are based on faulty premises. I can condemn the greater evils of killing and torture and the lesser evils of intolerance and lies at the same time.
So how is this relevant to Janet Jackson, or have you forgotten the topic we are debating?
Every coward on the Earth would rather oppose me than the enemies that I oppose.
Cowards are afraid to say anything bad about murderers, cannibal, and torturers.
Even if you say bad things about me instead of saying something bad about the one who kills you, or your family members, the killer will still kill you anyway, and betray your petty alliance.
You are a quasi -ally to the cannibals and other crooks because you are hiding from them very well, and much more fortunate than their victims you are pretending don't exist, because you hate facing off against opponents who kill and torture others.
Muslims aren't cowards pretending that killers aren't killing and hiding from them, or saying they are no threat.
Enjoy your lies and cowardice for what it's worth.
I will keep tracking the victims of the allies you are unsuccessful at hiding from me.
How am I cringing from your imaginary boogie men?
You seem to live in abject terror of the world at large. Non Muslims are all the enemy. We are all being controlled by invisible demons, or are part of massive conspiracies with the devil. Cannibals and blood drinkers are out to get you. Why are you so afraid of the world? Most people of every faith are decent human beings.
That still in no way supports your argument that she is more valuable than any other woman. Try again, but this time give a reason she is more valuable than any other of the billions of Muslim women.
Cannibals and blood drinkers are enemies to all Muslims.
Janet Jackson is not a coward human or she wouldn't join us in alliance against such fierce opponents.
She would still be cringing like you, or worse.
Allah is an enemy to all the koofar, now Janet is more eligible to be his friend than you are.
That is your opinion. Again, do you have any justification for it?
Stating your opinion has absolutely no value to a debate. No one cares what you think unless you can back it with evidence that you aren't wrong.
Good for you. You recognize at cannibalism is bad. This is definite progress for you. Not relevant to a discussion about Janet Jackson, but at least it is progress.
Cannibals are bad crooks.
She's associated with good times. The value in that title alone is stupendous.
OK. What facets does her value have that makes her more valuable? Come on, at least try to pretend you have an argument to support you opinion.
You want to play, I got a new one just for you.
I used cannibalism as a pole because the cannibal or drinker of human blood is forever an enemy to Muslims.
Nonmuslims are not ordered to forbid evil.
Even if you refused to kill the cannibal of your own daughter, Muslims wont grant the same pass, nor does Allah the King tolerate the conduct.
The value of Janet Jackson has many facets, and you only pretend that I didn't previously state that the value scale of anyone's mothers is not part of my integer.
I'm just going to ignore why your mind required cannibalism to explain Janet Jackson's value.
Why is Janet Jackson more valuable than almost any other woman, considering there are billions of Muslim women? What makes her more valuable than your mother?
I didn't imagine the cannibal eating anyone after you've killed him for suggesting your daughter.
Ah, I see. You were imagining someone you have never met being murdered and cannibalized. That seems like a much more logical response to questioning why Janet Jackson is more valuable than most women, including your mother.
Since I suspect you will struggle with it, that was sarcasm.
Could you now get back to actually explaining why you feel Janet Jackson is one of the most valuable living women, or is that too much to ask?
To recap the arguments, so that you will have less trouble with them, I asked why she was valuable. You posted a link talking about her possible conversion to Islam. I asked why that made her more valuable than other Islamic women, such as your mother, and you argued about cannibalism. Do you have a valid explanation for why she is more valuable, or will you ramble incoherently?
Actually my blatantly lying bald face liar neighbor, it clearly says your daughter.
Why are you imagining a cannibal eating your mother? That was in no way connected to the debate until you decided you wanted to suggest it. I was in no way suggesting you feed your mother to a cannibal, nor was I suggesting it was measured monetarily. Could you try, just this once, to respond to my argument rather than whatever is going on in your head.
You said Janet Jackson was one of the most valuable living women. Do you consider your mother one of the most valuable living women as well, or is Janet Jackson more valuable?
I never even placed my own mother into the integer as that's a completely different value system and nonmonetary.
One cannot pay a woman to birth themselves.
You should prepare to kill the starving man attempting to cook and cannibalize your own daughter aboard a lost, and stranded ship if he claims that the other women aboard are more valuable.
Also, you need to do something other than just claim it is a spiritual entity. If you make a claim without evidence, it can be dismissed the same way. Support your claim or I will continue to treat it as the uninformed opinion of an idiot.
I didn't say it reduced your mother's value. You said Janet Jackson was more valuable. I asked why.
Janet Jackson is not all musicians, and neither was her brother. Let's narrow it to those two.
The love boat exists as a spiritual entity that every good man experiences when a good woman accepts his marriage proposal. Families that love each other short of any incest, or fratricide are travelling upon the love boat as well.
Just because you can't see the intangible doesn't mean it has no effect.
I love lucy exists outside it's television confines as well, but I can't be having the whole spiritual world mad at me, so that's all about that.
Janet Jackson being one of the most valuable living women does nothing to reduce the value of my own mother.
How narrow minded of an accusation
You also haven't explained why Janet Jackson is more valuable than your mother.
That is not only stupid, it is demonstratably wrong. Musicians have committed crimes. They have raped, killed and stolen. Music and songs do not preclude evil, nor vice versa.
As to the love boat being a spiritual entity, you are insane. It is no more a spiritual entity than I Love Lucy, Bewitched or I Dream of Genie. It is an old, fictional tv show.
The love boat is a television show.
The love boat is also a spiritual entity that no person of hate can comprehend.
The evil man has no music or songs because he doesn't appreciate beauty and would purposely sink the ship.
I doubt anyone will give her a ticket for a fictional boat from a tv show that has long since been cancelled. Again, speak with your doctor. Your medical seems to not be working.
I wasn't saying she was "only a good time girl", I was questioning the logic of why her life is more valuable that any other woman's.
You are never authorized to think or write words on my behalf. I don't worry so much about you thinking, but this strawman argument fetish you seem to have is tiresome. Why is her life worth more than, say, your mother's?
They'll give her a ticket on the Love boat for free.
You are a man who doesn't know the value and beauty of women if you don't understand why Janet Jackson is more than a good time girl on Earth.
You are never authorized to think and write words on my behalf.
My name ain't Jesus, and I am not ordered to turn the other cheek.
Bring the army with you, if you doubt me.
Ahh, Najam being a retard again. Who let you out of the mental hospital you stupid shit? you dont know anything about islam or anything else. Janet jackson is not the most "valuable living person", you goatf***er and she definitely doesnt have the same status as the daughter of Abu Bakr in Islam or to any muslims. Either you are ProfessorX in disguise or you were born with the left side of your brain missing.
You really are incapable of answering questions without babbling incoherently. I'll show you how answering questions works.
No, I don't know what she has given up to join Islam because I have yet to see any public statement from her saying she has. If she has, I don't know her feelings or experiences since she has not told me. If you have a link to an interview where she goes through all this, I would be interested in reading it.
Honestly, I don't care all that much about he feelings for Michael. I expect she loved her brother. I expect she misses him. I don't see how that is terribly relevant since any normal person will feel these things after a sibling passes away.
Now that you have seen how answering questions is supposed to work, how about actually posting you argument about the topic. Why she is "one of the most valuable living women"? There are millions of Muslim women who have been good Muslims all their lives. Why is she more valuable?
You are fascinating. Do you have any clue who she is and what she sacrificed to join Allah?
She is almost as important as the daughter of Abu Bakr at this point.
She should be congratulated more often.
Don't you care about her feelings for Michael?
So in your view, a single Muslim celebrity is more valuable than almost any other woman?
Do you have any response to the main point of the argument, or will you hide behind word games to avoid embarrassing yourself in yet another debate?
Perhaps I should flag a motorist or pedestrian to read my debate statement.
I was sure its not the same as what you just asked! Vision check!
So in your view, a single Muslim celebrity is more valuable than any other woman?
I am not guaranteeing she gets in, but there's a lot of evidence in her track records.
If you get in heaven, you can hear her without having to worry about dying.
What makes her more valuable than any other woman?