The debate "Jesus was probably a homosexual" was started by
May 29, 2017, 3:44 am.
9 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 50 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
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makson posted 26 arguments to the agreers part.
thereal posted 1 argument, neveralone posted 11 arguments to the disagreers part.
makson, bernie2020 and 7 visitors agree.
jgwin10, Etabob, Ematio, AverageGuy, thereal, slh92, ThePhilosopher, Grizzi, Marlize, dg9392 and 40 visitors disagree.
Ok, that's great but you didn't actually answer the question. Are you intentionally comparing yourself, and now all Muslims, to Satan?
I am merely on of many who has the favor of Allah.
Most of my friends are closer to the top of the list than me.
You haven't died yet, even the likes of you still has a chance to at least enroll as a student of the one who doesn't know the experience of ever being defeated.
Muslims are only the best because Allah ordains it.
So by claiming to be God's favorite, are you intentionally comparing yourself to Satan?
He got special privileges like Jews.
He still has privilege even as a traitor.
Can you prove Jesus wasn't a homosexual?
Funny, so fat all I've seen is your rambling. God doesn't seem to have an opinion on it.
Lucifer was top angel because he worked for it and deserved it. it's pride and thinking he was better than God that got the better of him.
Allah has played favorites before the invention of Jews and Muslims.
I think you should think about who Satan was, and what he actually accomplished before his treason got punished.
Dare you claim the Almighty has no favorites after reflecting on how the Devil got his power on the Earth.
Of course Allah will fight Dave on my behalf.
God has no favorite.
I strongly suspect that if Allah exists he has better things to do than fight me. All he would need do is demonstrate his existence, so it wouldn't really be worth fighting.
You on the other hand seem to have something fundamentally wrong. You argue with imaginary versions of people, you have delusions of grandeur, and you lie about who you are and your qualifications. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I hope you have people who love you who can help.
I have no issues pointing out the flaws in your arguments. If you consider that fighting, so be it, but since you are on an app built for debating you should probably examine your choices if it bothers you this much.
Can you prove Allah exists?
No Muslim is your friend as you are currently an enemy to one of Allah's favorite.
The more lies you tell on me, the more Allah will hate you.
You refuse to be a Muslim so you can continue hiding over the internet telling lies on me.
You are fighting Allah now.
You don't have my hatred or jealousy, and I try to present honest arguments. You do have my pity. The world must seem terrifying to you. You honestly believe the world is full of demons and monsters, criminals and crooked cops, cannibals and liars. You think everyone who isn't Muslim is out to get you. I understand why you lash out so much.
That doesn't mean I will stop calling you on your lies and nonsense. Having a reason does not excuse misdeeds and refusal to learn.
I have lots of friends, and some of them are Muslim. Most Muslims are not bigots and are able to treat others respectfully. There are extremists of every faith, and many people use their faith as an excuse to be intolerant. Fortunately, I met many wonderful people who are Muslim before talking to you.
You are just a lying crook who refuses to be a Muslim yourself.
You haven't died yet, or went to hell yet.
I laugh at your hatred, jealousy, and lies.
That's why Allah orders Muslims not to be your friend, and they fulfill the duty happily.
Do you honestly not think through what you are saying? You said "She will be my friend because she follows Allah's orders and not yours." That means she isn't your friend because she likes you, or respects you, she is your friend because Allah orders her to. You said she was only your friends out of religious obligation. You can't then insult me because you aren't intelligent enough to proof read your post to make sure you aren't gutting your own argument.
Your friends think you should stop posting lies and that you are sinning when you do. That doesn't sound like they "go just as hard as you do." That sounds like they are rational human beings who are disgusted with your actions, but are to polite to tell you so unless your actions are so ridiculous that you are making your entire religion look bad.
Out of 7 billion people, out of over a billion Muslims you actually believe my friends are so special and so few with no effort on my part except joining a religion?
You are straight out a comic book if you think they don't go just as hard as I do.
You are cheating yourself out of life and friendship, because after you retire they won't let you be friends with people they pay you to interact with.
None of my friends are paid by governments to befriend me.
Allah is the one making sure all Muslims are well.
I have not given any orders. I explained something that is common sense for the internet.
You have now destroyed what little authority you could borrow from having friends. You just admitted that she isn't necessarily your friend because she likes, respects or cares about you. She is your friend out of religious obligation.
You are a crook.
I am a Muslim.
Rules are different for Muslims.
All Muslims are friends with each other.
As a nonmuslim you may hate that fact, but you have no authority to countermand Allah's orders.
She will be my friend because she follows Allah's orders and not yours.
We have a job to speak to even worse people than you.
No Muslim is going to obey you, my nonmuslim neighbor.
Allah's orders will always come before yours,because you have to die and Allah doesn't.
Your opinions, or even orders for me and my Muslim friends don't matter.
Not everyone wants to have to put up with people spewing insults and intolerance. That is why you shouldn't share someone else's information. You are free to share your own, but don't subject innocent people to that kind of aggravation.
Beyond that, you have in no way established that she is your friend. You have shared someone else's information, but no where on her profile does she compliment or even acknowledge you. There are people with hundreds of friends on Facebook who they have never met in reality, and there are lots of people who have friends online that they don't actually consider friends.
If you were a person with integrity, we could take your word that you are friends. Since you have claimed to be a religious scholar, a leader in the community, and a doctor, none of which are true, we cannot take you at your word.
Those points aside, having friends who aren't terrible people in no way makes you better. If I said you are my friends, does that make me your equal in your eyes? So why would you claiming someone good as a friends lend you credibility.
Finally, how does any of this make Jesus more or less gay? None of this is relevant, so why are you bringing your "friends" into the conversation at all?
I can call the one hiding and refusing to show even one friend as a sign of goodwill anything except Satan.
Only some of Satan's friends hide, and never openly admit allegiance.
You stupid lying fool. If we didn't want to share it publicly with the world, we wouldn't have it on Facebook.
Just admit that you're a low down dirty crook, who cant survive or have any friends outside of your job and those people paid to befriend you.
That's why you have so much disgusting hatred that my friends don't hide, nor are paid to be a friend.
Please do not share other people's personal information. It opens them up to trolling and harassment.
Also, her being a wonderful person in no way makes you better. She could be a world famous doctor, you still aren't. She could be brilliant, that doesn't make you smarter. Borrowing authority only shows that you are aware that you have none of your own.
This is one of my best friends. She is one of the best people on the entire planet. She teaches and inspires so many people too.
How messed up is your circle of friends that your default are such horrible things. None of them are true, but the fact that those things seem like something a typical person would do speaks volumes to your mentality.
Do you think your opinion of me make Jesus more gay, or less gay?
wtf? Check again (only an advice)
No, I survived both mental and physical crashes with 0% damage to me personally. The name Najam is star, thus I am proficient at high speed mental and physical reality.
How much faster in thought travel than money travel?
Look at how much faster we are at transferring thought than even the futuristic bitcoin can be transferred between parties.
Are you mentally ill? (just asking, you can ask me the same question)
he has his police allies, their handcuffs, and backseats of police cars to invite others to and approve of.
I have to be fair when I say he has nothing to invite to.
Dave lies on me because he is actually a very bad person in reality with nothing to invite anyone to except the internet where he can hide his own identity. I am sure he has an offense against a child, old weak person, or perhaps he is animal cruelty criminal that beat his pet cat to death.
Azrael the fictional cat isn't really evil; and Gargamel is smart enough to say his name is: PsychDave.
That's his go to argument when someone disagrees with him. I've asked him repeatedly on multiple threads to give an example of me lying. He has yet to ever do so.
What did he lie?
Dave is only able to hide and tell lies because he is probably on a child sex offender list, or has possibly raped a woman. He wont be able to lie anymore if we find out who he really is.
He certainly worships police, but they are not his friends.
He will still die and go to hell along with the police he worships.
I'm Dave's friend.
you are a liar and a crook with 0 friends.
You want to steal my education, you want to lie and tell the world that the best teachers on the planet failed with me. You want to lie and steal the books that I wrote. You want to force me to be a lying loser with 0 Muslim friends so I can be your equal.
You are a lying loser with no book, no education, no friends, no Mercedes, no Maserati.
And you have to hide from me until you die and go to hell, but have amazing lies to trick everyone like you don't have to hide and lie, even though its true that you do have to hide until you die.
Yes, I am terrorist. In counter strike. How can a book what supports terrorism be innocent?
The same goes for you. Your arguments periodically directly contradict the Quran. Even when confronted with Muslim religious scholars who disagree with you, you persist in your opinion. You are not a scholar, and you have shown yourself willing to lie to further your opinions. Don't try to teach on a subject you have shown yourself to be ill-informed at best and more likely misinformed on. Your own brethren wish you would stop spreading lies. Maybe you should listen to them.
You are the terrorist who supports terrorism.
The Quran is innocent of your wicked accusations.
Qur'an supports terrorism
LOL; I do not.
The Quran is a book of sophisticated equations. Please don't teach from it, due to your inability to formulate and properly explain the logic
I know you got an F in Algebra.
I'm not going to play with you, you said Qur'an is beautiful therefore terrorism is beautiful since Qur'an supports terrorism (I told you where)
And how does your twisted mind formulate beauty is in the eye of the beholder into terrorism is beautiful?
I am saying the books are beautiful if you obey whats supposed to be obeyed in there. If one were to begin killing everyone who refuses to accept Jesus as king; one won't get very far in life here.
So you are admitting the Quran is flawed?
I know Bible states same thing, but you can't say terrorism is beauty.
you have a twisted nonmuslim mind.
Have you read both the Bible and Quran?
Are you not aware what the Bible says?
wtf have you just said? Terrorism is beauty?
Lots of books say lots of things.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Qur'an 8:12; Is it islamophobia? No!
I will accept that if you will stop using the same tired lines for every argument when you start losing.
you have no evidence. even if you do, you have no evidence that you have evidence and neither it's correct evidence.
Your entire life is lying and hiding so you can keep telling lies until finally you die and go to hell.
We shall see how well you hide after you are sentenced to hell.
You are a lying hating evil little man with 0 friends trying to force me to share your fate, before you eventually die and go to hell forever where no man can have 4 happy wives that you despise.
Lots of evil men live to be 98 years old, so I don't have to wait very long before you die and go where you deserve.
You won't be able to lie and say you have friends, very soon!
How do you think that proves that anyone there likes or respects you? You give your block, but no evidence that anyone there if actually your friend. Do you somehow think I don't have a physical address just because I don't give it out to online bullies? You give a masjid that you claim is yours, but nothing to show that anyone there is your friend.
Take a look through your Facebook. You post lots of things, but have very few posts from friends. It's almost like, while you have friend on face, they aren't actually your friends. One of them even condemns you more strongly than I do here for spreading lies.
That is the problem with you having lied to claim you are a doctor and a religious scholar. Since you've already proven that you will lie if it suits you, it is challenging to believe anything you say.
All that said, I have no real doubt you have friends. Most people, no matter how terrible, have some like minded friends. What I don't understand is why you think your friends make either make Jesus gay or prevent him from being gay. Do you find your friends so attracted that you think they would tempt Jesus? Or are you trying to claim that I don't have friends because you think they would be too tempting to resist? Otherwise, how exactly are they relevant to the debate?
Me and my friends run and hide from no man. Only the mice have to flee the righteous.
You are a liar who will tell any lie to hide the fact that you are an evil little man, hiding somewhere on the planet with absolutely 0 people as your friend.
My block is Thorndale in Chicago.
My masjid is the one financed by the late Muhammad Ali in Chicago.
All my friends are openly Muslim and always welcome to visit.
You are only a coward and an angry liar trying to force me to be as you are,
a friendless lying hiding coward; who lies to hide his antisocial tactics, and has nowhere to invite anyone to outside of the internet.
Several key problems with that argument.
First, we have exactly as much proof of friends. This is anonymous app. It is difficult to prove that you are who you claim to be. It is also rather foolish to even try since it opens the door to ignorant bigots and online trolls to harass you and your friends.
Second, you claim you have friends who love you, but I have already shared one of your "friends" condemning the same type of things I have criticized you for. Either you are aware you are spreading lies, which you homage somewhat acknowledged, or your "friend" is no better than me.
Third, how would anything that happens on this app force you to have no friends? Unless you show your friends how foolish you so often look, how could it possibly influence them? I have already told you that I will respect your privacy and not not post anything on your Facebook, so my words will never reach your friends.
Finally, you are aware that you spread lies. You admitted as much while defending yourselves by saying you hadn't written the article. You knew you were spreading lies, and did so anyways. You should stop calling everyone who disagreed with you a liar when so far you have demonstrate that you are more willing to lie if it suits your opinions than any other debater, barring trolls.
You have 0 proof of any friends.
Nobody of respectability would be friends with anyone as mean as you are.
If you actually had friends, they would have to hide themselves as all evil people going to hell must do.
You are a liar.
You have no friends and you only want to force me to be a liar with no friends as well.
You're a punk!
Please remember that just because you don't know ow someone, doesn't mean they don't exist. The world doesn't actually disappear when you close your eyes. I have friends, I just like them and therefore don't want to subject them to your harassment. I don't need to to confirm whether I have friends because frankly your opinion is irrelevant. Does the existence of my friends make Jesus more or less gay?
For that matter, I haven't met any of your friends and you haven't provided their personal information. None of them have come to defend or agree with you. Are they hiding from me? It seems so.
remember that you are the one who has no friends, and you always hide and tell lies.
I have friends who don't hide from you on this planet, you are permitted to hide from us. I don't need to pray for your little game to end, because I personally know the owner.
As to the planet, you seem to exist in your own planet where you are surrounded by crooked cops who think they are Gods, cannibals, and monsters made of smoke. If you truly are, we don't live in the same world. I certainly do live in a world including the mentally ill, so I do believe we share the planet.
You just admitted that your prayer cannot influence what happens, so are you going to address that, or shall we just assume you have no response?
Najam, you are an idiot. When have I expressed belief that any God is my God? Go through my comments, I'll wait.
you are openly admitting to being a polytheist.
My god is your god.
My planet is your planet.
All of us are subordinates to the mightiest king in existence.
No, you are not more powerful based upon disobedience, refusal to acknowledge, refusal to recognize, or your outright insolent, if not sardonic mockery.
So based on your argument, my free will is more powerful than your God. Even if God wills me to do something, you believe he is powerless to make it happen unless I choose to. Good to know.
Its called free will. My prayers cannot nullify your free will. If you are intent on using your free will to hide and tell lies, then you are temporarily allowed to keep lying, hiding, and having no friends.
My prayers have effects in other ways that I wont disclose to you, since you are only intent on harming the humans who havent died yet with your lies.
That is until the Almighty God is ready for you to die, and let everyone know the truth and reveal who you are to everyone simultaneously.
You should slow down and read the comment before replying. It will make you seem less foolish so much of the time.
"I use my prayers to pray that you find the straight path and wont be forced to go to hell after you die here.
If you go to hell anyway after you die, then I will have failed."
I the pointed out that you constantly assume that I, and others, are going to Hell. By assuming this, you are acknowledging that your prayers are worthless. You know they do nothing, or you would pray for us to change and believe that it would happen. You pray that we will change, but then admit that you are fully aware that it cannot actually do anything.
I'm not sure how to make this more simple for you. If you still don't understand, I will try again. Hopefully this time you won't rant about what would happen if you prayed for others to be damned, how happy you will be when you get 4 wives, or your default "You are a liar have no friends".
Do you believe your prayers are of any value, do you believe that we will be going to Hell in spite of your prayers, or are you simply lying about praying that we will not?
You prayed for that and you refused to pray to stop us from replying... lol
Dave, if I prayed for you to go to hell, most likely I would end up there with you.
No man can have 4 happy wives if he is an inmate of hell.
I would much rather see your reactions far while you are still far away from the collection of doomed men who all hate ever being seen with happy wives.
The men going to hell don't even like babies, so they will be rewarded in hell with complete absence of all crying or laughing infants.
I. saying there is only one God and there is Jesus and the holy spirit. yes God will judge everyone but that isn't even part of the debate.
That's exactly what you are saying by claiming Muslims are going to judged by a different God.
Nobody will steal the right of that one's judgement with mere lies.
you are out of arguments so you went to these lol
what exactly are u talking about? I never said there was more than one God.
You are just a liar who has no friends and lie in order to hide that fact from the world.
Polytheists are disgusting and detestable.
They always lie and claim that humans cannot pray to the only God responsible for their death and judging their soul.
They hate that only one God will judge everyone, so they lie and say there is another hidden God in charge.
I knew you won't accept challenge because you knew you will fail
So in all of your posts saying you expect me to go to Hell, you are admitting that your prayers are worthless?
well idk if Muslims look at God differently but my God would not do that since it restrict choice. though I'm not Muslim so idk.
Makson, and who are you to give a Muslim orders on what to pray for?
That's why you aren't one yourself and would only use your power for mischief.
I use my prayers to pray that you find the straight path and wont be forced to go to hell after you die here.
If you go to hell anyway after you die, then I will have failed.
Najam1 let's go like this: Pray that Psych Dave and neveralone stop replying. If they post one more argument then you have failed with prayer.
that is entirely untrue. no one is out to get u.
that wasn't what I was saying at all but that is the trinity.
I will be more successful by praying to Allah.
Work has been transformed to obeying criminals with money.
Resumes and job applications are in place so only crooks can control the definition of work.
A bartender is at work, along with a policeman, or a woman selling her nudity or dancing.
These are your people who will summon police to attack, kill, or imprison the one who works by growing watermelon and selling them on the side of the road after praying to Allah.
You and your crooks have a false monopoly on the definition of work, its only because you can forcibly take money from others by taxing income and purchases to pay police so they can attack those who work from a completely opposite moral standpoint.
If you pray to Allah for money, and I go to work, who will be more success?
If you are claiming Allah has power, you had best have something to back up that argument. People claimed Zeus was a powerful God, as was Jupiter, Amaterasu Omikami, Ra and Ganesh. Every God of a religion, living or dead, has been claimed to have incredible powers. What makes your claims of divine power true and all others false?
can u prove no man defeats Allah?
The man is trying to say a God is equal to a man.
I corrected my opponent.
what does that have to do with the debate?
Never an equal to the creation.
No man defeats Allah.
God would not need to.hes God do u literally think he wants to have sex with his daughter?
The Almighty God never had sex with any human being.
Men can only lie about defeating the Almighty and claiming the Almighty has a son that can be beaten and subdued.
he was literally the son of God. directly. He had to be pure or else everything meant nothing.
Are you saying he was openly gay? I don't think there is any historic record to support that, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing you've said.
Jesus was never in the closet.
You obviously need to look into how debates work. Shouting your opinion and saying it's common sense just shows that you have no real knowledge or evidence on the subject.
American "common knowledge" at the moment is that Islam is a religion of terrorists. That doesn't make it true. That is why you need evidence and logic to support your position.
how do u know he never sinned?
that's what follower of every other religion would say...
we believe Jesus was God's direct son and without sin. in the Bible homosexuality is a sin. so he wasn't a homosexual.
I don't need to reinforce my statements with extra support.
Its common knowledge to most grown ups that Jesus is one of the good ones, attractive to women of all ethnic backgrounds.
Dare you be foolish enough to dispute these fundamentals of morality.
can u prove it?
Only the fool accuses Jesus, or even Muslim men of being homosexuals.
No holy man of godliness is ever a homosexual.
Can you prove Jesus wasn't homosexual?
Of course! How could I have not seen it. You did such a great job supporting this argument that your absolutely unsupported claims have changed my mind.
Of course Jesus was surrounded by beautiful women, and still is surrounded by them in heaven.
You are a punk who hates that for yourself, and the other men. I am happy you only have Earth and hell to deny women to yourself and others.
I am happy that all evil men are allowed only one wife, and then they die and go to hell forever along with the one evil wife.
I don't remember any scripture talking about Jesus surrounding himself with beautiful women. Could you tell me where to find it?
He did surrounded himself with men (his disciples) but I don't really think that indicates his sexuality.
I dont actually think this btw i just wanted to trigger something
Jesus likes being in the presence of lots of beautiful women. There's no way he advocates homosexuality.
Are you trying to say it is a lie that Jesus was probably gay, or that it is a lie that Jesus was without sin? You really need to use complete sentences to express yourself.
wow, neveralone said something right and logical for once.
because he didn't have a wife? u realize the Bible says homosexuality is a sin and Jesus was without sin?