Kids should not be required to go to school

August 6, 2016, 10:59 pm

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The debate "Kids should not be required to go to school" was started by jack_tim_45 on August 6, 2016, 10:59 pm. 11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 34 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

jack_tim_45 posted 2 arguments, Ali001 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
jack_tim_45 posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 1 argument, thereal posted 13 arguments to the disagreers part.

jack_tim_45, Ali001, Chamuschew, moneybagboyz and 7 visitors agree.
SwaggerPoptart, arisa, Blue_ray, thereal, Suviva31313, Austin7779, itsme1, NationalistGuy, hunadi, Gaurangi, blakelovesjesus, neveralone, harshita, Rajat, nellie11iah and 19 visitors disagree.

Yes, school isnt just for education. It also makes you into a functioning member of scoiety.

2 years, 10 months ago

jack_tim_45 I wouldn't forget your argument.

It kind of makes sense that parents could be allowed to take their children out of education. That destroys the whole "children aren't mature enough" argument because adults are mature enough and hopefully want to do what they think is best for the child. I may be a little biased here, I value education(more than I did when I was 12) but what parent would want their child to not get an education if the opportunity is there for them? It is also worth considering exactly how the parent, who would have the power to make that decision, benefits or doesn't from keeping their child out of school. In most, if not all, developed countries, kids can't work until a certain age. Adults pay taxes that go towards education whether or not they have a child in that program, so it would be a waste to not force a child to go to school. Withholding a 6 year old from school would not be an economic benefit for the family. Kids of such a young age, under what I would call "good parenting", would not be allowed to go out with friends if they aren't supervised. So they are going to be pretty much stuck at home most of their time. This leads to a decline in the ability to socialize because they just aren't getting that experience. Perhaps device addiction among the youngest children would become even more prominent. I don't see any real ways that the parent is actually affected by such a decision. I also think that a parent making that kind of choice is not giving their child a fair chance. Again, that may be my bias speaking, but education is so important in the societies of developed nations. It is part of the scale that determines whether or not a country is considered developed.

In schools where students are misbehaving, I don't really know what to say. I cannot say this about every person in a school such as the one you described earlier, but that kind of misbehavior might indicate bad parenting, maybe a bad area to live, or maybe the school itself and the staff were not good with the students either(again, none of that could be true for the school you went to, please don't take offense). I know that where I live, a student is allowed to drop out at the age of 15 or 16. I think that by that time they have enough sense about them to make that decision for themselves. They know that the path of education isn't for them. That's the same age other kids are deciding where to continue their education.

Keep it clean thereal ;)

2 years, 10 months ago

I'm reading arguments from thereal and wondering what's up with the personal attacks...

10 year olds do not have the maturity to make good choices on decisions that will affect their future. I think the same goes for 12 year olds. When I was that age, kids would have chosen home over school any day, and I can imagine that was the same for most people here. I can remember times I pretended to be sick just to have a break day.That does not indicate stupidity, it indicates the rising independence that I and other kids wanted to have as we reached that age. Completely natural. We saw school as a chore, not something good for us. For the younger children, school must be a requirement. Given the choice, how many children with 6 years on them would not choose to go out and play instead of sitting in school? If they were given that choice, how would it affect the country and the world?

I realize I am kind of speaking towards more developed countries. To acknowledge a previous argument that some kids do have that maturity, specifically in 3rd world countries, I want to bring up several points. I think it is valid to say that a certain level of maturity does exist in these kids; they have seen the worst of conditions and have even experienced them in many cases. But if we want to bring up these kids, think about them from a new perspective. In these third world countries, is education free and accessible? In these third world countries, is it possible for the family to survive if the child or children are in school and not scraping up a little extra money? Consider also the culture surrounding this topic in these third world countries: how many of them would actually rather go to school than work in poor conditions? A lot of them would do anything to get an education, they just don't get that chance. They don't get the chance to play or have what I will call a "normal childhood", which I define as having time to actually develop in a proper way through play, friends, family, rather than being thrust into the world because your family needs you to work. Many of them would rather this "normal childhood" over what they have. Many children in more developed countries take education for granted: again, it is seen as a chore. That is why it must be required, because it is a benefit that developed countries offer that children in those countries do not always understand but nevertheless is an extremely important thing to take advantage of.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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it doesnt matter what i think. that can be discussed later. right now you still havent provided a consistent arguement for why they shouldnt have the choice.

2 years, 10 months ago

what is it you think a child who doesn't go to school should do?

2 years, 10 months ago

your bitch a** must still be salty from when i merked you in that other debate where you were intellectually impaired enough to think canada was still a british colony.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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are you dyslexic dalton? the workforce part and the responsibility thing was completely seperate. i said the fact that they are able to feed their families shows that they are smarter than society thinks they are. i said the reason children like you are so stupid in america is due to their lack of responsibility. your dyslexic mind should be able to understand that as i broke it down for you. i now understand you cant comprehend more than a certain amount of words at one time. i also explicitly stated that i dont agree with what im saying but the fact that you cant provide a logical consistent counter shows how stupid you are. so yes, you really cant fix stupid and you are a perfect example of that.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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cant fix stupid? you have most of the same political views as me you dumb bastard so take this huuuge L. congratulations, you played yourself bihh.

2 years, 10 months ago

Historybuff had a point, the logical assumption to what you are stating is that they pursue the workforce for their families, and you denied that. Then, you just said "lack of responsibility" Everybody connect the dots. Do you know what my conclusion to you is, thereal? You cannot fix stupid! Bye.

2 years, 10 months ago

children are simply much too relaxed in this generation.

mom: go to bed now or im not going to wake you up for school and youre gona go late and get a detention.

kid: i just wont go then, dads the one whos going to pay the fine.

2 years, 10 months ago

small changes like "open the letter and check how much the electricity bill is" instead of "hey little guy, wanna play this cool new game i bought with me" make all the difference in the development of a childs mental maturity.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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of course ive met 12 year olds you idiot. have you ever met a 12 year old from another country where children arent restricted so much? no, thats why your arguement is so weak and limited. if you read my first comment you would know that that stuff about procrastination is due to their lack of responsibility in this day and age.

2 years, 10 months ago

I honestly think your argument is foolish. Have you ever met a 12 year old? They procrastinate and they will totally stop going to school to play GTA all day. It is not that and hard and it is really stupid to not make them go to school. There may be only one tween who will choose to continue acedemics out of 100. What will they do? We live in a completely different era where we can delegate certain responsibilties so where kids can go to school without hurting the household. That should be taken with great admiration.

2 years, 10 months ago

i dont necessarily agree with what im saying but if you cant counter my arguement with a mature, logical claim, youre obviously not fit for this app. look at you. you are failing at giving a consistent arguement on why 12 year olds shouldnt be given the power to choose if they should get an education or not. pathetic.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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historybluff youre incredibly stupid. ive stated many times that the example was no to say that children should be put in the workforce but to show that they have the ability to make such decisions. your assumption that all 10 year olds are as incapable as your niece is foolish. this is the 21st century and children need to be pushed to their best ability. simple minded oldies like you are stunting growth and it would be best for society to get rid of you. just look at the average 12 year old son of an aristocrat and compare him to the average 12 year old son of some guy in the masses. the son of the aristocrat will be significantly more mature.

2 years, 10 months ago

so if a parent wants more money and doesn't care about their kids too much they can just take away their future and make them work. the reason all kids need an education is that all children have a chance to succeed. not to mention so that they all have the basic reading and writing skills necessary to function.

2 years, 10 months ago

Like I said, parents would decide. the real is arguing for himself.

2 years, 10 months ago

home schooling is already an option. but it is still schooling. an education is required for all children.

they're arguing for giving small children the power to throw away their future and drop out of school.

2 years, 10 months ago
Ali001
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there are many other ways to have better knowledges, not just going to school. such as: homeschooling which is at home

2 years, 10 months ago

there is mountains of research showing that their brain is not developed. saying they are mature enough to decide their entire future is incredibly stupid. anecdotal evidence about what starving people do to survive in third world countries is in no way useful to a modern society that doesn't need children to do its labor.

and if you don't want those children going to school what else would they be doing? are you suggesting that children should be pulled out of school to do absolutely nothing? the logical assumption was that you want 10 year old children to work.

2 years, 10 months ago

men in the olden days used similar arguements against women, saying that they werent smart enough to run the country etc so you cam stop being an uninformed hypocrite now.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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so yeah the "fact" that i want to throw children into the workforce isnt really a fact, its just a stupid assumption made by a very silly person.

2 years, 10 months ago
thereal
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just because your niece is stupid doesnt mean every 10 year old is like that. obviously you also have intellectual struggles as you were unable to read the part where i said modern society stunts childrens intellectual potentials, i then proceeded to give an example that in 3rd world countries children of that age are able to work and feed their families. i never said i wanted or that they should be put in the workforce, it was an example to show that they ARE capable of more than certain idiots in society think they are. understand?

2 years, 10 months ago

thereal do you know anything at all about children? I have a niece around that age. there is no way a 10 year old is old enough to decide their future.

the fact that you want to throw 10 year olds into the work force is deeply disturbing. that hadn't been acceptable for a civilized society since the industrial revolution. that idea is insane.

2 years, 10 months ago

it should be the kids choice. if he wants to go to school then good, if he doesnt then leave him. 10 year olds are mature enough ( as in they have the capability to understand and make that decision) but american culture makes them more stupid by suppressing their intellect with this silly little thing called "childhood". Im talking about the childhood which stereotypes children so they have to do nothing but homework and play etcs. in other cultures where 10 year olds arent bound by such expectations, they are out working and feeding their families.

2 years, 10 months ago
jack_tim_45
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The kids wouldn't be the decision maker. They would have to get permission from parents, and this isn't for the little bratty 10 year olds that don't like their teacher. I went to a school where the kids only went to school when they had to, did whatever they could to delay class. I'm not talking about talking, I'm saying every class period their would be fights, 10 kids walking out, and smoking. The rare times a year when there was standardized tests, and they would put 3 teachers and sometimes a cop, where the kids would finally be quiet, and they would just sit their and refused to take the test. I am fortunate enough to have parents who cared about my education and would talk to my teachers and get lessons and teach them to me, and now I go to high school at a place where the kids behave but still why pay thousands of dollars a kid for kids who knew they would drop out 4 years before they did.

2 years, 10 months ago
Nemiroff
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cause a 10 year old is mature enough to make that choice? many kids will decide they don't want to learn. what will that do to the economy when they grow up? that "waste of money" has long proven to be a well worthy INVESTMENT that pays off many times over.

2 years, 10 months ago

If an entire group of people goes to school and refuses to learn and trying to get them to learn costs billions of dollars but they still refuse, why force them to go to school, why waste our money? They can die in stupidity if they want to.

2 years, 10 months ago

i go to school.

2 years, 10 months ago
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