The debate "Killing animals is morally wrong" was started by
January 7, 2016, 9:34 pm.
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Hunting, isn't morally wrong, it's like saying, that, farming and agriculture is morally wrong, because it ruins the landscape
Freyja, your right we can stop eating meat for a little bit, but we can't be plant eaters/omnivores for all the life. We can eat meat not that much, keep it equal.
Meat is an very common food, most foods are incomplete without meat. If we keep eating plants that'd be an problem for our stomachs.
It's totally fine killing animals for food, a bit acceptable but for cosmetics bags, you can't snatch their lives like that!
If you want us to stop eating meat, it's an obvious answer, yes! But stop killing them they also came like us, and also will go like us, what do hunters get for killing animals. I know some are ferocious but no need to attack them. We also sometimes want love, they also. Take care of them nicely, they'll slowly understand you.
Don't force anyone, give them their opportunity to think, some people will never understand how to respectively take care of animals, who are especially scared of those, animal hunters!
Of course! Its wrong, why would people kill animals? For highly priced cosmetics? Making bags? I mean why would people even think to do that. The animals also have a life, now people are behind panda's and tigers.
They also have a life. Now panda is the rarest animal alive on earth. I mean what do they get, for killing animals. Did they do something ridiculous. I mean they might not be smart like us. But they have a heart! Stop killing endangered animals!!!
it's the food chain! just because we have become clever enough to create morals doesn't mean we should stop eating meat. That's like saying we've become clever enough to develop weapons doesn't mean we should use them. it's the same principle its within our innate instincts to eat meat. granted we shouldn't just go around slaughtering animals and eat only a couple but there is nothing wrong with eating meat for survival!!
well in general, i agree with that as we human sometimes killing animals for. but animals will kill us only for living.
killing animals for just sports and fun and poaching is totally unacceptable but killing them for source of food may not be that wrong. its the path nature has chosen for us to feed on meat. after all is a lion wrong and evil if it feeds on meat.
first of all you are not using the word murder properly. a murder only applies to one human killing another. you cannot murder an animal.
you can empathize with a plant as well, it doesn't mean you should. all animals live by consuming other life. it is completely natural. you cant change the basics of nature to fit into your version of morality.
I really don't see how knowing animals have some intelligence makes us morally obligated to do anything. they are lower life forms. we shouldn't be cruel to them, but eating them is what we are supposed to do.
Because we have morals. We know that animals are not just writhing worms without thought or feeling. To know this makes us morally obligated to spare them. If we were unable to empathize with them properly, we would not be so. That is how many animals are. They do not fully understand what it is like to be in the position of their prey - meaning that they are not aware of what murder is. They kill to eat and feel nothing because they don't know how to. However, we are much better learned. We know what it is like to be in many different positions. We CAN empathize. This means that we know that killing animals without needing to is cold-blooded murder. Do we tolerate that amongst our own people? Absolutely not.
just because humans are "clever" enough to replace meat why should we? we are supposed to eat it
hunting for pleasure is definitely wrong!
unless it is killing for food. sorry freja ibdont agree with you, the way I see it is humans are top of the food chain and yes we could survive on plants but why should we? we've evolved to be omnivores, we have molars for chewing meat and canines from riping it, we are made to eat meat. also meat is highly important for our diet and I know they've made all this "meat replacement" stuff but its not the same. like i said we kill more than necessary and if that could be stopped then it would however killing animals for food is not wrong.
But we don't need to kill for food. We can survive on plants alone. This is why hunting should be considered immoral. Animals are not our property.
Depends on the reason, purpose, and person. I could go either way.
yes we cant kill any animal for taste only
lions do this for food to eat. also, I am talking specifically about hunting for pleasure.
hunting is as natural as eating is. We are animals on this planet. As omnivores, we are built to kill and eat prey.
are lions psychopaths? it doesn't make sense.
hunting is psychopathic.
I was saying about hunting.
If I click replied to it said you were replying to me. That's why I responded
I was responding to Sumerian saying that killing an animal is psychopathic
What gap do you mean? Obviously animals need to die for nature to have any order. When I say we need to protect them I meant we need to keep us humans from overhunting them, inhumanely killing them, and destroying their environment.
if you kill an animal humanely, quickly without pain, that's a better death for them than if they died from a predator in the wild killing them right? I'm sure a quick bullet to the brain is better than being chased down, chewed on and eaten every time. So is it more moral to grant a quick death than to leave the animal to the natural elements? I think it is.
Unless you think we can somehow house every worm and mouse in the world to keep it from harm, I don't see how you can work around the gap in your logic.
I personally see humans and animals as equals. As we humans are animals ourselves. I think it is our duty to protect them and their environment. However it is understandable to kill them for food.
If you kill them for the pleasure if taking their lives then you should be ashamed. It is our duty due to our superior intellect to take care of them as I have said before.
Otherwise plants like you mentioned aren't necessarily conscious so I would say it is not morally wrong to harvest them. I am not saying however it would be okay to burn down a forest for no other reason but enjoyment. Obviously that fire would ruin more than just the lives of the plants.
The problem with this is that we aren't raised to see animals as equals, only pets and food. Does it make us psychopaths if we kill them for food and don't see them as sentient beings? We eat plants every day (hopefully). Doing that doesn't make us psychopathic killers because we don't see plants as sentient beings, only food and pets (I would count them as pets if you domesticate them and feed them regularly). (Yes, plants are not conscious, but this is about morals, and I'm a subjective moralist -- meaning the debate relies on how we percieve our.... victim.) This comparison may seem ridiculous but pay attention as I elaborate a bit more.
We see our food, no matter what it is, as sustenance and bringers of satisfation. Meat or otherwise, it's all the same. So when we eat meat, we don't think of it as murder, but sustenance. Like when people eat foie gras (I think that's the correct spelling), they don't think of the fact that someone held an animal down and force-fed it, only of the flavor and texture - the satisfaction it brings them.
There are many questions that stem from this argument. Here are two important ones that I can think of:
Do we really have the capacity to kill another person for their meat when we don't have to, as indicated by our eating non-human meat? This question indicates that us eating meat is a result of our being psychopathic, not that eating meat is what makes us psychopaths. The answer to this question would indicate whether or not we are murderers at heart.
Do animals really deserve the same rights as humans do? If they cannot communicate their wishes, or simply don't have any other than their continued survival, they cannot explicitly tell us they want to live in peace, meaning that they cannot show their express non-consent. When rape victims cannot say no, however, this does not mean yes, so I would keep that in mind.
These are questions I think would help determine whether it's really morally wrong to kill animals. In conclusion, my point is that it depends on whether or not we actually see them as sentient beings. Hm, then I guess it depends on whether you're a subjective or objective moralist and, if you're an objective moralist, where that "set" of moral laws you are standing for come from.
Please criticize me. :)
worms do resist when Robin pick them up. They want to survive and Robin ate them against their will.
is it morally wrong?
No, I don't think so. Robin is thinking of his survival. also, it is giving lots of nutrients to him. Moreover, he is helping in maintaining ecological balance.
But still acts of killing of animals like hunting( watching an animal running away from you and getting sadistic relieve from seeing desperate animal to survive) is not only immoral but psychopathic act.
in such case it's immoral.
is it morally wrong when a Robin eats a worm then?
Obviously not. Humans are intellectually superior to animals. Therefore it is our duty to protect them and not let their populations decline, or over hunt them for fun.
my point is regarding your point that coz animals are not able to complex thinking, so it's not morally wrong to kill them. may be it can be morally right or wrong but it shouldn't be for this reason that they don't have complex thinking.
Also, they can empathize, they can feel pain just like humans do. You must have seen animal resisting when butcher tries to fetch them. that's because they are capable of thinking and knows about consequences gaining experience from past, seeing their own getting slaughtered.
They can think and their thinking is complexer than we thought.
Also this is about the morality of killing animals not humans.
They still have the capacity for complex thinking,. Also I'm not going to kill a humid for food like the deer in my freezer.
only if it's for no reason! killing animals in the right quantity for food and other resources is not wrong
ok if a person is mentally ill and lose his/ her capability to think normally like other human being, then it's right to kill them...is that what you want to say.
Animals also don't have the capacity for complex thinking like humans
why is it immoral if done painlessly and humanely?
I don't see it to be wrong. When I go hunting and kill a deer I feel respect for the deer and use what I can and will eat off of it for a couple of months. the one thing I really do not like is when I heat people bragging about gut shooting an animal because it chases away what they are hunting. Gut shots are in no way ethical as it takes a long time for the animal to die. I kind of got sidetracked.
Disagree Rob. Killing a animal is wrong no matter what but only sometimes justified, but still, on a morally view, it is wrong.
unless it's for food or it is attacking you then yes, or an accident like hitting it with your car.
I agree as long as it is not for food. What other reason would you have for taking the life of a defenseless animal.