Laissez faire ideas are not right wing

February 3, 2018, 7:42 pm

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The debate "Laissez faire ideas are not right wing" was started by lachlan on February 3, 2018, 7:42 pm. 6 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 1 person is on the disagree side. There needs to be more votes to see what the common perception is. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

lachlan posted 3 arguments, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.


lachlan, Nemiroff, Slymcfly, chasediedrich1 and 2 visitors agree.
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Nemiroff
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they believe in a change back to before government became big, to undo changes. progressives want new changes to build a different future.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
lachlan
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A party can't support "change" because that is not an absolute. Progressives don't believe in change they believe in big government.

Also libertarians believe in change as well, if not more, than progressives.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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also, my view of left vs Right is quite simple.

the right wing supports traditional policies.
the left wing supports progressive policies.

government size, immigration, social rights. they can all flip or mix and match. the left wants change to reach something better, the right wants stability to not screw up what we already have. And the balance of both is quite beautiful, a balance I feel was destroyed when republicans vowed to make Obama a one term president and flipped on many issues like fiscal responsibility and science denial. (climate change was not controversial before 2008) they turned from the party of slow down to the party of stop. And now they are they party of rewind.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I'm not trying to make it either, I just stated a fact that in a laissez faire society, it's on the companies to clean up their own garbage. no government interference, no subsidies, no regulations, no help with clean up. they produce it, they handle it. is there something wrong with that? I don't think that has anything to do with capitalism vs anti capitalism.

and I agreed on your point, there is nothing inherently right wing about laissez faire in general. my hippy example should have made that clear. but that doesn't make it clearly part of the current American right wing platform. there's a difference between what a theory is in theory, and what it is doing in reality now. if someone from modern American is promoting liberitarianism, I can confidently gamble they are a right winger.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
lachlan
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I didn't intend another capitalism vs anti capitalism debate.

I was only making the point that economic freedom position are nor right wing, although Americans think they are. Really, free market advocates are liberals by definition.

So therefore to if someone supports lower taxes and deregulation, this does not make them "right wingers".

9 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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If your talking about true laissez faire, then companies should be responsible for cleaning up every atom of pollution and carbon they themselves put up there. the government shouldn't (in this ideology) interfere with their actions, but shouldn't be cleaning up after their garbage either.

unfortunately the laissez faire most Americans thing of is just letting companies rape the people and lands of this nation. no thank you. laissez faire is stupid idealism, no matter what part of the spectrum it's from.

extreme anti government left wing hippies probably also support this form of governance so it's likely not just right wing, but it is all stupid.

9 months, 2 weeks ago

you try too hard lol

9 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm not certain if laissez faire economic principles count as right wing. but I'm certain they count as stupid.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
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