The debate "Let's all just try to do the transaction peacefully and hope for the best" was started by
November 9, 2016, 11:00 am.
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neveralone posted 9 arguments, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
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neveralone, Nemiroff, Blue_ray, jack_tim_45, GodisGod, TheExistentialist, tanya, north, WolfiesMom, Yanksxx21 and 5 visitors agree.
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A filibuster should drive the sponsors and the majority to bend and compromise. It should be used for obstruction. Also, Mr. Harry Reid started something he shouldn't have.
what happen to peaceful?
also it's one of the things we take pride in. that it is peaceful. by that I mean no riots or other forms of violence.
she didn't get that big of a lead is true, but Trump got even less... so his and Paul Ryan's talk of a mandate are bull. even tho she does not speak for a large majority, trump speaks for a large minority at best.
in addition many stupid liberals chose to completely waste their vote with write ins that as far as I know don't even get counted, whereas Johnson who was polling at 8 got only 3 making up votes that put Trump over the top.
@dalton that is why the polls were wrong. the right made the right move while the dumber, younger, idealistic among liberals voted with their heart and completely disregarded their brains.
it would have still been a very close election and we need to take a close look at each other and consider, open mindedly, the concerns at the root of our beliefs. I believe Trump and sanders pointed out that even if our solutions are different we both see THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM with our nation and desire THE EXACT SAME OUTCOME. just different means to get there.
we need to unify. and figure out how to best get where we want to go.
The filibuster is a tool to use, however, when using it as a means of being obstructionist rather than a way of reaching a compromise, I think it's being used wrong. I also doubt that the filibuster will survive a trump presidency. It's likely that trump will pressure McConnell to abolish the filibuster all together. So I don't see it as a viable method of representation (it's already been abolished for presidential appointees, so dems have no way of blocking or challenging appointees Trump wants to make).
The only option left then is protests and ultimately vote again in 2 years.
but I think it will go beyond that. I'm find voicing ur opinion but when angry voices get together there's only two options. increase anger or shutdown. by shutdown I mean people breaking up to cool off
Filibusters are crucial. It slows things down and makes the majority compromise if they seriously want to fet things done. But not for justices. Harry Reid gave us a nice little present :)
I think she only led by like 250k or so. Trump had about 47.5% vs 47.7% for Clinton and the remainder for 3rd party. That means 52.5% of the country have no way of forcing negotiations between them and the GOP. The only option the representatives have are to obstructionist by filibustering in the Senate. Which, in my opinion, is not a valid option. It goes against what a representative government is supposed to and I believe it endangers the integrity of our democracy (what the GOP did the last 8 years was despicable and I hope the dems will actually work).
So the only option left is to take to protests.
about 49? voted trump
I agree except she didn't get that big of a lead on popular vote so it isn't as big as ur making it sound. or how I assume u r making it sound.idk which
I hope there is no violence, but I think protests are a fundamental method of airing grievances with a government to which one doesn't have direct access. It's a right which must be exercised and seeing that the majority of voters will have little to no voice in the government, it's important for those people to exercise that right.
I actually believe we protest, strike, and demonstrate way too little in this country. If we don't protest for things like the Paris agreement then an administration which was not the popular choice will be able to undue a substantial accomplishment of an administration that did have popular support. It's the responsibility of the people to let the administration know what they want their government to stand for. You can't do that every 2 years, you have to do that every day.
I don't want to see an obstructionist democratic party however. I think the party has to work with the current administration and push for the best versions of their ideas. The populous is responsible for voicing their displeasure or their approval .
I understand not liking him and that's fine to say so. but it is going to go further than that. that much can be seen. look at all the social media. people are throwing all kinds of things out. I can only hope they cool down and do nothing stupid.
I'm actually hoping for a not-so peaceful outcome to all this. I don't mean violence, but i am glad to see the protests starting. I think early Civil unrest will check trump's concept of a "mandate". It also helps that he lost the popular vote. Civil unrest will be the best weapon we have to check a Republican controlled government from enacting the same policies that drove the 2008 recession....fortunately trump hasn't actually released any concrete plans for his economic policies and he's run as an outsider, so I'm hoping that he may not enact the GOP economic platform.
I do believe he won the election fair and square and that his authority to execute the powers of the office shouldn't be questioned. However, I believe that since he lost the popular vote the people should be able to and encouraged to voice their disappointment with any and/all of his decisions.
it didn't matter that he won I would say the same thing. I planned to post this either way. I was and still am worried about how the people will respond to either of them. I've heard people from both sides say some crazy things that they would do if the other won and it worried me. I would still have post this if Hilary won.
if it goes bad I'm with u. what I'm saying is let's all try to be peaceful. both left, right, and in between
The racist, sexist, homophobic delegation seconds the motion :)
Well Of course. the left is not a bunch of sore loser cry babies that claims the system is rigged the morning of his win...
the baton will pass. worst case scenario, you gun toting maniacs are gonna have to help us rip it out of his hands if things go south, ok? :-P
personally I'm praying that he does good.