The debate "Lets say im atheist give me one logical reason i should not kill somebody" was started by
May 3, 2017, 5:54 pm.
5 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
thereal posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
zediraw posted 2 arguments, Nemiroff posted 1 argument, Mrjudge posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
thereal and 4 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, invincible_01, Mrjudge, MrLuke, The13yearoldconservative and 6 visitors disagree.
Well...Killing Someone is a Sin..& u shouldnt do that...
Still not going to try to defend your position? If you devoted as much time to debating as you do to being childishly insulting, you might not seem so foolish all the time.
Zediraw, animals kill each other ALL THE TIME. they kill their prey and their own. Therefore it is natural, right? how can you not know that.
lmao psychdave proven wrong about what? this debate got lost somewhere so i didnt see it but keep fantasising you impotent goatf***er. i dont see why i should bother responding to your repeated points which i have already dismantled many times in the past lmao. How to be psychdave:
1- f*** goat
2-f*** goat some more
3-make stupid claim
5-repeat stupid claim
6-claim opponent is not responding to stupid claim because they have lost
8-go to sleep with goat
He seems to have gone back to supporting Hitler and abandoned this thread, likely because he has once again been proven wrong about atheists being amoral.
logical reason? how about the fact that atheist is the disbelief in a god and does not encourage you to do anything beyond this let alone murder.
the fact that killing someone has nothing to do with atheism at all.
the fact that if you kill someone no one is going to care if your an atheist or not and it won't matter.
or the fact you just willingly ruined your own life by killing someone in a failed attempt to make atheism look bad.
or the fact your a bible thumping religious zealot with no understanding or education on the subject of atheism.
or the fact your retarded plan my work if you joined a group of pepole and tried that it would work but atheism has no group mentality.
and finnaly your an idiot
you want logic? how about not lumping people based on what they don't believe in. that's like a club for people who don't like to sew... well we know what they aren't doing, but besides that they likely have nothing else in common.
atheism is not a school of thought, it doesn't describe any features or beliefs besides a lack of faith in God. judging a group by what they don't believe in is stupid. which is exactly what we expect from you.
existentialist broke down several school of thought and morals that atheists and theists subscribe to, at which point you did your usual dance of defeat involving insults, proclaiming victory, and then disappearing. I call it "the thereal".
then you come back sounding like a broken record.
not wanting to kill has nothing to do with religion , but dependency on others to survive
it isnt logical for animals that work together to kill each other it defeats the purpose of being in group
I'm not sure you understand what logic is. Google it and maybe you will understand why you are wrong. If not, ask and I will try to use smaller words.
You used a definition. That is what I was referring to. I'm sorry if that lost you. While you are right atheists as a group do not have one cohesive set of principles, you are wrong that atheists individually have no principles. By the same argument, Christians don't have any principles since if you ask different sects they will answer differently. Principles can be based on a chain of reasoning. That has nothing to do with God or Christianity. Read your definition, don't just copy and paste and assume it agrees with you.
If you are exclusively having sex with men, you can't blame the fact that it's not illegal, you are just gay. Homosexuality is legal, but humanity is still going on. If you want to argue that it will end the species, you are going to need to explain you version of reason. You haven't in any way addressed my moral framework, you just mocked it and made absurdly stupid statements that don't reflect reality.
Finally, if you want to suck your dad's dickie and eat your mother alive, but God telling you it's wrong is stopping you, that is a reflection of your morality, not atheists. If you want to debate, try to have a basic grasp on reality. It helps you not look like a psychopath and an idiot simultaneously.
Psychdave, you are stupid. i asked for one logical reason, which means that it should be rationally sound. To say "you shouldnt do this because its illegal" is a foolish argument because it is equivalent to having said "dont run nigga, youll get whipped by yo master" So is it logical reasoning that the slave should just stay on the plantation? of course not.
Secondly, i didnt define principles as anything, that is the google definition of principles. im not surprised yoy dont know since youre such a lazy sack of ignorant shit. And no, if you understood english then you would know that my "own definition" does not "counteract" my claims because it is a fact that there are no principles for atheism because it is a lack of belief in any purpose or god. therefore by definition, principles dont exist for atheists. there are christian principles, muslim principles etc but not atheist principles. if you ask different atheists, they will not all tell younthe same thing because their principles are not principles theyre just opinions. there are no guidelines for them to follow.
thirdly, there are no moral frameworks outside of god because god created all, physical and non physical. if you dont believe such a being exists, then all is permissible to you. unfortunately you are too retarded to see that it doesnt matter what these "moral frameworks" made by atheists are because firstly, theyre based on christian ohilosophy and therefore not atheistic and secondly, the ones which are fully atheistic are completely worthless and hold no value whatsoever as they are purely subjective. so yes, youre wrong about that too like you are about everything. Your "argument" (which is a joke really) doesnt deal with my argument about homosexuality becaue there is a very clear detriment of it in society- the fact that it ceases reproduction and kills off the human species. its sad that youre too stupid to actually be able to comprehend that.
Your last argument is also as retarded as yourself because atheists like you eat their mothers alive and suck their dads dick. after all, why not right? whos telling you not to do so? and if its a person, what makes their opinion any more valuable than yours? you literally eat your mothers alive because you dont see anything wrong with it, being an atheist and all. you are a dirty, stupid and hypocritical atheist who cant even comprehend abstract or basic thinking so you decide to take the anger out on your mother by eating her alive.
Thereal, you asked for a logical reason, not a moral argument. Avoiding punishment is logical. Either change the wording of what you are asking for or think through your response to be consistent.
Secondly, you defined principles as "a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning". You then proceed to claim atheists have none since they don't believe in God. What you failed to process is the last 4 words. Atheists certainly can have a chain of reasoning. If I base my morality on a chain of reasoning, it is still a principle. Your own definition counteracts your claim.
You then claim that without the belief in God, anything is permitted. What you are still either deliberately ignoring or honestly not able to understand, is that there are moral frameworks independent of God saying things are bad. These have been explained to you before, so I won't go into a bunch of them. I will lay out a very basic framework for morals independent of God, in case you honestly can't remember the last time you tried to argue this position.
We obey laws that restrict us. We do this because we see a net benefit to a society that enforces these restrictions. I cannot kill others, and in exchange I am secure from them killing me. I cannot steal, and therefore neither can anyone else steal from me. These restrictions form a framework of right and wrong based on social benefit or detriment. If society in general, and me personally, benefits from restricting something, it is wrong to break that restriction.
This also deals with your argument against homosexuality, since there is not a societal or individual detriment based on who someone marries or loves.
You have repeatedly argued that the only source of moral guidance that killing is wrong is God. This does not demonstrate that atheists are amoral, it demonstrates that you are. If you are incapable of finding a logical reason not to kill aside from God saying it is wrong, that speaks to your character, not morality in general.
m3phisto: firstly, just because people go tp jail for something doesnt make it morally wrong. people go to jail for revealing the truth all the time. from this what we can see that what is perceived as wrong and what is illegal are not always the same thing. if so, homosexuality should never have been legalised because people could once go to prisom for it.
secondly,it does not only bring suffering and pain around you because when organisms die bacteria decomposes the biomass, which benefits plants and the soil. soil that someone could plant food on amd therefore you are benefiting people amd the environment.
thirdly, your third point is clearly subjective and nothing but a matter of opinion. people kill people without feeling mentally destroyed all the time. nuns would feel mentally destroyed if they had sex, so does that mean it applies to everyone? no.
fourthly, atheists do not have "principles" because the definition of principle is "a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning." Atheists do not have this as they do not believe in a doctrine of god etc. rather, they believe all life existed by pure chance with no god or anything of the sort out there and therefore life has no meaning so good and evil do not exist. Therefore if i am atheist, everything is permissible for me. And if not, why not? who decides what is and isnt permissible to me? that politician in the whitehouse is just a man like me and his word does not hold any more value than mine. his belief system does not hold any more value tham mine. therefore all is permissible.
And let's say u r Chtistian, give me one logical reason not to kill someone.
1. You can go to jail.
2. You only bring suffering and pain around you.
3. You also mentally destroy yourself by doing so.
4. Atheists too have and respect their own set of principles.
most people are repulsed by the idea without being told not to do it, but if you must be instructed we do have a penal system and most people don't look forward to a life in jail, even the ones who have to be told killing is wrong.