The debate "Math is implied by a divisible universe and not the other way around" was started by
I_Voyager on
July 24, 2015, 11:10 am.
14 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 4 people are on the disagree side.
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I_Voyager posted 2 arguments, PsychDave posted 1 argument to the agreers part. sloanstar1000 posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

If human minds didn't exist, mathematics wouldn't exist, it was invented to describe and help us communicate the nature of the universe. mathematics is conceptual, concepts do not exist independent of a mind.

Sometimes it is argued by the severely mathematical that the whole universe is a foundationally mathematical structure. Math is what composes the universe. Yet some physicists would disagree. They might argue that math is implied by the physics of a universe which is composed of divisible bits. Does math describe the universe or is the universe math? I am not a specialist in either knowledge types... But weighing the arguments I've heard from both sides against what I understand of philosophy I tend to agree that reality exists and math describes it and not the other way around.

Yes, but that is what I meant.

If human minds didn't exist, mathematics wouldn't exist, it was invented to describe and help us communicate the nature of the universe. mathematics is conceptual, concepts do not exist independent of a mind.

Since math is always an approximation of reality, I would have to agree.

Sometimes it is argued by the severely mathematical that the whole universe is a foundationally mathematical structure. Math is what composes the universe. Yet some physicists would disagree. They might argue that math is implied by the physics of a universe which is composed of divisible bits. Does math describe the universe or is the universe math? I am not a specialist in either knowledge types... But weighing the arguments I've heard from both sides against what I understand of philosophy I tend to agree that reality exists and math describes it and not the other way around.

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