The debate "Media Talks Better of an Evil Iranian General Than of President Trump" was started by
January 6, 2020, 11:43 am.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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jrardin12, Allirix and 20 visitors agree.
historybuff, Thandaza3, StrangeTime, Nemiroff, Dez000, Sparkytusk, eli and 9 visitors disagree.
Of course this isn't beyond expectations. Any time you spread chaos and death you can expect it to spawn more chaos and death. Could they have predicted this precisely would happen? no. Did they know civilians were going to die? Absolutely.
not an excuse. if you are gaurding your skies from a potential attack, don't you think task #1 would be to monitor of known commercial airliners? at least with an inbound flight they could not be sure... but this just left one of their own airports.
a potential revenge terrorist attack will have some of the blood on trump, but this is beyond reasonable expectations.
They didn't shoot down the plane on purpose. They were expecting an attack from america. Someone made a mistake and shot down the wrong plane. Trump caused the confusion and fear that led to that tragedy.
No not you, Iran blamed Trump. They just blamed him for creating problems and said they did it because of Trump. Iran did not have to shoot down the Ukrainian plane.
I'm not putting the blame squarely on trump. Iran is still responsible. But it's bit like yelling fire in a movie theater and someone gets trampled to death in the panic. You didn't kill them, but you caused them to die.
putting the blame on trump for this is a bit much. Iran isn't a rag tag terrorist group, they should not have made such an idiotic mistake. the plane left one of their own damn airports not that long ago.
Trump carried out an act of war. In the resulting tension and fear of attack an error was made that killed alot of people. Trump didn't push the button that killed them. But he certainly had a hand in their deaths.
but Trump did not make Iran shoot down a Ukrainian plane. They literally just blamed Trump for amplifying problems and created more problems on there own. The plane being shot is on Iran, not Trump.
Yes, trump created a situation that led to the downing of that plane. Certainly the Iranians did it, but trump created the situation that led to it. Some of that blood is on trump's hands.
provide a source please. For all I know they were protesting something completely different.
the american people should respect their president and appreciate his proactive approach to national security
There was just a protest in early December.
What protests are you referring to? Which people did he torture? where is your evidence for these things?
Also, he got much better polling than the rest of the government. If these people were just saying they approve out of fear, then they would have been positive about the rest of the government too.
So why have their been protests. Why has he tortured Iranians who protest? How do you know that people aren't forced to praise their leaders like in other opressive countries like North Korea?
As I said. soleimani had an 82% approval rating. He was a hero to the large majority of the Iranian people.
The media has pointed out that he was a hero to the iranians and that this is likely to cause further violence. Why do you think it is wrong to try to look at world events from the point of view of others?
Last I thought our media was American, but maybe they are just spokesmen for Iran.
Not the Iranians, their leaders.
To the Iranians, he is those things. That is a 100% honest take on it. Why do you object to treating Iranians as if they are humans with their own opinions and ideas?
MSM has fantasized about killing Trump, but when an Evil General who is responsible for American deaths dies MSM calls him "revered", an "icon", "war hero" and so on.