The debate "Morality cannot be pinpointed to a certain source" was started by
September 13, 2015, 1:05 pm.
40 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 12 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
PowerPikachu posted 2 arguments, sloanstar1000 posted 1 argument, Muluken posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
sloanstar1000 posted 1 argument, Lane posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
PowerPikachu, Zeno, sloanstar1000, wayneSPEC, Ryan, pajrc1234, AstroSpace, Bobo, athinus, ariel22, sageuraeus, J_Blue, Muluken, Nemiroff, nate, soccer19 and 24 visitors agree.
Lane, Alex and 10 visitors disagree.
So whatever god says is by default moral no matter what it is?
so if God came before you and said that you must go out and murder as many people as you can, starting with your family. it has been part of his plan this entire time and now is the moment. is murder now a moral imperative?
And before you dismiss this as ludacris, remember the story of Abraham when god commanded that he murder his son. it was just a test, but god expected Abraham to whole heartedly commit to killing his child. was he morally right in his conviction to murder his son? would you be ok with such a command with no gaurantee an angel will stop you at the last moment?
And does the idea of a morality that can literally change in an instant (whether based on divine whim or divine plan) feel right?
God's nature is the grounding of moral laws. such as good or right. so scince God says its wrong to murder, then we are obligated to listen. duty arises in the response to a compotent authority. for ex, if some random person were to tell me to pull my car over, i would have no legal obligation to. but if a policeman were to issue such a command, i would have legal obligation to obey. the difference lies in the person issueing the command. one is qualified to and the other not.
is something right because god says it, therefore anything he says is the moral thing (even if it sounds bad)
or does god only command that which is right, meaning that morality supersedes and is independent of god.
what do u mean by moral?
may i ask,
is something moral because god orders it?
or does god order it because it is moral?
if morality comes from God, which God does it come from? I think you will find that the morality of Tengri, Thor, Ganesh and Christ, just to name a few, are very different.
and even if you assume you know which religion is the "true" religion, which version of that God has the correct morality? The old testament depicts a very different morality from the new testament. Catholics and protestants disagree and many points of morality. not to mention Jews and Muslims who worship the same god as well.
if morality really was derived from God, we would still have no way of knowing what that morality really is. which means we would need to decide for ourselves which version of morality we want to believe in. and that my friend is subjective morality.
Morality points to God. if one thing such as torturing babies for fun or murdering 6000000 people in the Holocaust is wrong, then God exists. Since objective good and evil exist, there must be a standard outside of human consience that sets good and evil apart. We all know what good and evil exist and we shouldnt deny our ingrained characteristc to know morality. , to say that anything is subjective is self defeating btw. If morality is subjective, then truth is subjective. and if truth is subjective, everything we think is subjective. if everything is subjective, then it is just your opinions that morality is subjective. so saying that morality is subjective, is just your subjective opinion. and saying morality is subjective is an objective truth claim. but that only works in an objective world view
Some people back then were against free speech, and thought that those who spoke out should be executed. If this were true now, people couldn't come up with awesome ideas like medicine. (I posted this debate after playing a game called Socrates Jones: Pro Philosopher. And your argument is what Protogoras thought was correct)
I'm saying that morality is dependent on our opinions, yes. if you're going to say that one thing is right and one thing is wrong you can only base that on your opinion, even if your decision is based on some religious Scripture, you are the one that decides whether that scripture is good or bad. morality is subjective.
sloanstar1000, can you possibly give a few examples? Are you saying humanity is morality, or that it depends on a person's opinion?
Definitely agree with sloanstar1000. Now, if the question were "Morality cannot be pinpointed to a certain source inside humans" or something, i'd agree.
we can pinpoint morality from human beings, that is it's source. Morality is conceptual, The only thing we know of that is capable of communicating moral concepts are humans. We define it into being.