The debate "More able bodied workers are good for an economy" was started by
April 29, 2016, 11:18 am.
32 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 1 person is on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
TZW posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
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Nemiroff, tr, TZW, sagitario, PoetPrincess85, dalton7532, Danier, Roger444, DrMrDaniel, bernie2020, chasediedrich1 and 21 visitors agree.
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if blue collar work is in demand as we educate, having immigrants come in to fill it is a good thing. that will maintain the difference in pay between degree holders and not, which solves the problem you brought up in the beginning.
all that will happen is our economy will grow.
not really.... long story short...
everyone running to college to make more and work less
meanwhile blue collar work is in demand now
in a free market the wages would adjust accordingly. thereby closing the wage gap between degree holders and non degree holders. this is a problem. if the gap closes while college graduates are simultaneously shackled with debt, they a convince their kids that a 4 year degree isn't worth it.
uh oh.... big business can't have that. they need you to be shackled with debt in order for them to lein on you and offer you work at a lower wage. you will gladly accept out of fear that the scold loans are coming to roost.
now, they need this leverage. the only thing that can keep this going is to somehow make the increase in blue collar demand, decrease.
welcome amnesty and other similar immigration moves that will flood the market with blue collar work, and the therefore keeping the wages stagnant.
it's sad really. so.... no... sometime it's not a good thing.
so why not have a very easy legal immigration program?
no social safety net for immigrant, but they will have the same minimum wage amend work benefits as the rest of us (so that they don't have an advantage getting a job), and if they can survive without any safety net (welfare, food stamps, etc) for 10 years and support themselves, they can apply for citizenship.
obviously maximum numbers so we don't get overwhelmed, but make it generous enough, and easy enough so that we KNOW anyone coming through illegally really is a drug trafficker or terrorist. Then we can enforce that border with full ferocity and a clear conscience.
now illegal immigration is wrong, unless the immigration laws are broken. if legal immigration is impossible it may as well be banned, and therefore people who risk their lives for their futures when no other path is available are risk taking entrepreneurs we should be proud to have in the nation.
but we can all agree the "they're taking our jobs" is a very wrong over simplification.
yes they'll take jobs, but they'll create jobs just through the power of increased demand.
How the US stands we have a lot of issues with immigration on both sides sadly.
that's why you need immigrants.
Americans don't want to do labor work though.