Najam come out to me i want to debate with you on Islam

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April 12, 2017, 7:36 am

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The debate "Najam come out to me i want to debate with you on Islam" was started by an anonymous person on April 12, 2017, 7:36 am. 32 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 19 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

thereal posted 13 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 1 argument, PsychDave posted 42 arguments to the disagreers part.

saurabhBalpande8888, zediraw, The13yearoldconservative, tniromin and 28 visitors agree.
human, PsychDave, Vighnesh and 16 visitors disagree.

Najam1
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Fear Allah, and even adore the one.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You lie.
I still have the same block and some of my friends are still alive.
Many of them would be extremely annoyed at your false depiction of me, that's why you are the one hiding from me, my friends, my cousins, my brothers, and my sons.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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You are so disconnected from reality that you are hiding from the entire world. I'm done debating this with you since you fail to even recognize that you are ignoring my comments in favor of your imaginary ones.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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Hiding is temporary. I don't have to find anyone hiding while I am still alive.
Hide and go seek ends eventually.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are untrustworthy and a liar.
I refuse to hide with you and claim tha the people who aren't hiding are the untrustworthy liars.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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When did I in any way say you or your friends should be hiding?

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are a lying idiot evil untrustworthy fool. You wont force me or my friends to be hide and lie like you.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Again, you are accusing me of lying without any kind of evidence. I'm not lying or hiding. I will not share my personal information because you have shown yourself to be untrustworthy. And even if you suddenly became respectful, sharing my information with you would give it to trolls like thereal.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are lying in order to prevent me from actually confronting you with the presence of Muslims.
Eventually you wont be able to hide, because I know angels as well.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Such as? I've been asking you to point out a single lie I've told, and so far you hide every time.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are the one who hides like a mouse and tells any lie you think you can get away with.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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You have repeatedly lied and misrepresented yourself. I have not. Your hypocrisy diminishes the integrity of everything you post.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are a crook hiding and lying about who you are and even lying and making excuses for neither of us to ever be present before any Muslims.
I would be a fool to invite anyone who only knows how to hide and lie, to anything.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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You haven't invited anyone. I don't mean necessarily me. You have insulted and ranted at everyone here who has debated you.

If your job is to invite perfect to Islam, should you not be doing it?

Also, I am not lying. I just don't believe the same things you do and question you about it. No matter how many times you try to claim I am a liar, you have yet to point out a single lie I have told.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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I cannot invite any coward who will only tell lies.
You have to hide and never appear before me and the Muslims.
Inviting one only willing to lie and hide is moot.
You don't tell me how to carry out my mission or its objectives, oh
non-Muslim one!

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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1) My job is not to hide criminals. I'm not sure that is actually a job. The closest job to that descriptions would be a defense lawyer, and I am not a lawyer.

2)Any person can have a criminal record, or not. Police officers can have no criminal record if they do not break the law. It has nothings to do with worshiping them. If they have broken the law, they deserved to be punished as harshly, or more so, than anyone else. If they have not, why would they have a criminal record?

3)I have yet to see you invited anyone to Islamic. You have been insultingly, condescending and launcher into tirades against many people and groups, but I have yet to see you invite anyone. If that is what you think your behaviour here has been, you are mistaken.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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Your job is to hide criminals whether they have badges and work as cops or not.
I don't discriminate on criminals just because they have no police record.
Any human employed in law enforcement can have no criminal record if you only base your judgement on those who worship and obey police as a false god.
My job is to invite to Islam.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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You give an example of an individual who did something bad. I point out that those who do such things are by far the minority. That would mean you are the one lying by claiming those criminals represent the group.

Try again.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You always lie when I indicate specific criminals with jobs on police forces.
You hide them by saying "all"
You are a master at hiding and defending any criminal who happens to have a badge.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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I asked how I was hiding it, not for you to just claim I was again. Either answer the question or admit you are lying.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Quote one thing I have said that was "lying able those who commit crimes" or trying to "give them special treatment".

You are claiming that I am saying things that I have not. Either you are intentionally lying, or you honestly are so disconnected from reality that you can't separate what I've said from your own delusions.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=53396

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You keep lying about those who commit crimes and either commit suicide or hide it from the press, in order to pretend that only people who are not police are the criminals.
You want to give them special treatment and hide those who usually don't even get arrested when they are caught doing crime.

They caught one of them in Indiana selling narcotics right out of the police car.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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How? How am I hiding anything?

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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You are still hiding the very crooked and guilty amongst even rookie cops and probationary officers.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Still unable to answer a single question.

Why do you believe police are "the criminals with badges who claim the only job they can get is stalking and killing, or imprisoning the impoverished"?

2 years, 6 months ago

You lie.
All you are doing is trying to hide the guilty by lying on me and claiming I said all.



http://thefreethoughtproject.com/serial-rapist-cop-daniel-holtzclaw-put-suicide-watch-courtroom-meltdown/

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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You have repeatedly said police are criminals with a badge and claimed they kill and abuse people. You are right you didn't call them sadistic, likely because you didn't know the word.

Since the word seems to have rendered you incompetent to reply, I will change how I say it. Why do you believe police are "the criminals with badges who claim the only job they can get is stalking and killing, or imprisoning the impoverished"?

If you want me to explain why I am tricking people, including the police, into thinking they have to be police, first you will need to explain how I am doing that. What have I ever said that claimed anyone had to be a police officer?

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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I don't have to argue points you yourself create and attribute to me.
You are the coward calling all police sadistic criminals.
Stop behaving as a mouse that tells lies on others.
My point is that you and others are tricking the population, and those paid to be police themselves into believing these people have to be police, and they have no other way of earning money and no other way of interacting with all people.
Defend your point about them that you accuse me of!

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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There are a couple things wrong with your argument.

First, they didn't drag "the wrong doctor" off a plane. They knew who it was they were removing.

Second, you still haven't done anything to defend your argument that police are all sadistic criminals. You have listed specific examples, but that doesn't representative the entire group. If I were to say all actors are murderers and drug addicts because there have been some who were, would you suddenly stop liking the cast of the Love Boat? That is exactly what you are doing to police. There are some examples of bad ones, so you claim they are all bad.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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Some of your criminals with badges dragged the wrong doctor off a plane.
Usually they only hang around only poor people so they can get away with what they do, and someone like you will justify and lie for them.
They got caught this time.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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No.
You are trying to hide and lie for suicidal criminals with badges and guns who flee the presence of Donald Trump's son. The criminals with badges who claim the only job they can get is stalking and killing, or imprisoning the impoverished.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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There are absolutely people who create problems for others. There are criminals and thieves. There are also religious bigots who feel anyone who believes differently than they do is the enemy. Trump's advisors believe this way of Muslims, and you feel that way about atheists.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to your experiences in prison.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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I tell you the cast and crew of the Love boat are never part of their mischief making here.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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No.
Some people are here only to attack those born poor and struggling.
The very same ones who flee the very presence of even the son of Donald Trump.
They are crooks who only live to increase the difficulty of those born with less finances upon the Earth, and actually willing to die attempting to deprive only the poor and weak.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Based on your comments here, I think I am starting to understand why you think police are evil sadists who are the enemy of the people. You have obviously had some very nasty interactions with the legal system.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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Having never been to prison, it is not really something I had spent much time considering. In your experience, what should one say in such a situation?

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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what if he rips the shower curtain down, then what will you say?

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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I'm not sure what prisons you have been spending time in, but you should look into reporting human rights violations.

2 years, 6 months ago
Najam1
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It doesn't matter whether you or the prison guard peeping at you over the shower curtain while you are showering is Muslim or nonmuslim.
Your reaction and verbal response to him, would cause humanity to collapse in laughter.

2 years, 6 months ago
PsychDave
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I'm not saying you need my permission. I'm pointing out your lies. Keep up.

Also, you still haven't in any way defended your intolerance of non-muslims.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I don't need any permission or validation from you to have my wives or friends.
You have to hide here so you can keep hiding, and lying.
Eventually we will see you, and your lies will give us laughs for hours.
You are as funny as the prison guard who looks over the shower curtain at a showering prisoner.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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You are claiming to be married, but aren't. You claimed to be a doctor, but aren't. If you want to accuse people of being liars, it is better to not demonstrate yourself to be dishonest first.

I don't care who your friends are. You can try to borrow their authority as much as you want, but it doesn't make you any more credible.

You are still not acknowledging the Muslim scholars I provided who disagree with you, or their rational. Do your important friends know how to debate? If so, you should ask them how to respond to me.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are the liar hiding with the mice.
My friends are very powerful, so we laugh at hiding mice.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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I don't know you or your quality. I know you wrote a poorly edited book with mistakes on the first page and that you are a student at a spa. Beyond that, I have your claims. Since you have claimed to be married and a doctor, both of which are not true based on information you have shared, the rest of your claims of author are suspect. You have demonstrate yourself to be a liar, so now I have to treat everything you say as potentially a lie.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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So you are just going to ignore the links to Muslim scholars disagreeing with you?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I already fulfilled and surpassed the requirements many years ago.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are not a Muslim.
Of course you hate the requirements to be a Muslim alim, or Daii.
You are simply going to keep lying in front of everyone about the requirements to be a Muslim scholar who calls people to Islam.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Really? Then why do you hide behind refusing to acknowledge the links I have provided in which Muslim scholars disagree with your intolerance?

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2009/09/07/friendship-with-non-muslims-explaining-verse-551/
Brief bio of author
http://www.shaykhpedia.com/view/abdullah-anik-misra.html


http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2014/09/23/is-it-haram-to-befriend-non-muslims/
A brief bio of the author
http://www.shaykhpedia.com/view/tabraze-azam.html

There are so many ways you could support your prejudice and intolerance by finding someone of authority who agrees with you. I don't understand why you insist on trying to pretend you yourself are a scholar when you have made it quite clear that you are not.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I never have disagreements with any learned Muslim men of scholarly level.
I am the one who actually prays with them and shakes their hands daily.
My only disagreements are with mice hiding.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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That would be a great argument if only it weren't ignoring the fact that your expressed opinions are contradicted by religious scholars IN YOUR OWN FAITH.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are lying.
If you believe us you would be one of us.
You stupid fool, you only want us to fight each other while you hide and keep lying!

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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No thanks. I'm good where I am.

I believe Muslims. I just think you are a bigot and not a good follower of Islam. This is because I have looked into Islam and what religious scholars say and believe. You disagree, so either they are wrong, or you are. I tend to believe the people who have credentials and aren't prone to raving online. If you have a reason I should believe you over the Muslims I know and the religious scholars I have referenced, feel free to share it. If not, perhaps you should take your own advice and leave. Of all you want is an echo chamber for your beliefs, a debate app is not a good forum.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You don't believe Muslims, and you don't believe me.
Take a hike!

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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If I won't give you my name to allow you to harass me, why in the world do you think I will give my friends so you can harass them?

I need neither your blessing or consent to have friends. I believe them, ad they contradict you.

This is all irrelevant to the fact that your bigoted opinions are contradicted by Muslim scholars. You don't have to prove you know more than me, you need to demonstrate that you know more than they do.

2 years, 7 months ago

If you talked to actual Muslims, then why don't you believe them, since you clearly don't believe me?
Let me know when you actually believe a living Muslim, be sure to include his name.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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That's a lot of text to never once defend how you claim to be more knowledgeable than recognized scholars. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I am deferring to them. You are claiming to be an expert in spite of not being able to give any credible reason anyone should consider you one.

I have talked to several Imams and many Muslims. I would still never claim to be an expert on Islam, but it has given me lots of reason to question your intolerant, prejudiced interpretation. You have claimed Muslims cannot be friends with non-muslims. You may be incapacitated of having friends who are different, but I have friends who are Muslim, so you are demonstratably incorrect.

I don't care what your opinion or me is. The fact that you disagrees with religious leaders OF YOUR OWN FAITH about what it means to be Muslim is what I criticize. If you want to defend your expertise, you either need to discredit those I have shared who disagree, or support your opinion with something of merit. Saying "you're not the boss of me" is great for a toddler but, just like said toddler, it shows that you are immature and have no concept of reality.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are far too much of a mouse to ever willingly come in the physical presence of me and any living alim of Islam.
Your game is to make excuses so you can continue to hide and tell lies over the internet.
I am the Muslim, not you. I actually see, pray with, even embrace my fellow Muslims daily.
You don't need to mind our affairs or attempt to dictate what any of us are allowed to be.
I see different Muslims of different age groups from different parts of the world daily. We never have to ask credentials from you or those you cant actually produce in order to teach those who can barely read or write.
There is no special school that you can trick or force anyone to attend in order for one to be considered as alim.
You are only allowed to dictate what your fellow koofar can and cant be.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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You don't need my permission to be anything. You just can't expect your opinion to hold weight with nothing to support it based on your claims of self importance. If established scholars disagree with you, you need to either prove them wrong, or admit that you are. What you are doing now is avoiding the subject and hiding from the argument.

I don't know who your friends are, and don't care. You can't borrow the authority from your friends to explain why your opinion contradicts well known Muslim scholars. If you want to defend your interpretation of Islam, you will need to do more than claim hour friends think you're smart.

Just because somethings inspires awe in you doesn't mean it is intelligent, important, or right.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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My friends say awe inspiring things all the time.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I don't ask your permission, or approval to be anything.
No Muslim on this planet ever has to beg you to be anything they want to be.
I know the qualifications for giving dawah, that automatically qualifies me to be an alim.
Do you have any idea as to who my friends and teachers from this world actually are?

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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You are a student working at a spa. You may pretend to be a religious scholar, but until you demonstrate some form of knowledge on the subject, that claim rings hollow. Instead, any time your knowledge is challenged, you hide from it by claiming you don't have to explain to non Muslims why your opinion contradicts Islamic scholars.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are hiding from reality.
I am a living scholar and so are others that you are terrified to be present in the physical flesh and play the games you do here.
You don't pit me against someone who can't speak for themselves so you lie on them or twist their words

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Try again, but this time explain your hypocrisy in a way not directly contradicted by the Islamic scholars I shared a link to.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Making fun of people going to hell is only fun with those who might not even go. What fun can be had with a man who only wants to be in jail or hell?
Do you even understand how such a person behaves here amongst the others?
Who actually breaks in police cars to steal things, or who opens the door of a cop car while the cop is even sitting in the car?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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In Islam, we have something known as chain of command. It can be even witnessed if you watch a large group of Muslims pray. We don't have to know each other to produce our formation because all Muslim men know the rules of the ranks.
There is even order and chain of command in the Quran, whereas you may think I am disregarding something, but actually obeying other verses within that take precedence over what you relayed.
I don't need to teach you all intricate details of Muslims as you refuse to be a part yourself, and only seek to use the little knowledge you have against those who accept the part.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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For example, you constantly insult people, especially when they point out problems with your arguments. You even commented that insulting people who are going to Hell is fun. This is in spite of the fact that such behavior is against the teachings of the Quran.

http://www.islamicinsights.com/religion/making-fun-calling-names-and-finding-faults-in-others.html

I always provide links since I am not myself and expert on Islam, so I defer to those that are. And by giving you the link, I make sure I am not taking them out if context.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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I was addressing thereal with that comment.

But since you say that, why is it when I do read the Quran and point out your disregard of parts of it, you ignore it? If you are ignoring the Quran, why should anyone else read it?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I defend the superiority of Islam by saying little more than "read and love Quran"

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Sorry, I assumed you were silent on the topic for a week because you had moved on. If it took you that long to collect you thoughts to post this, you might want to find a new hobby.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Even money isn't superior to Islam, because there are Muslims who have given all of their money away, but still have Islam.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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The more opponents willing to join the fray, the bigger the victory.
So far, only a few members of the underprivileged underclass are here to entertain us.

2 years, 7 months ago

oh look. it was meant to be a 1 on 1 debate and around 7 goatf***ers joined. typical of these attention-seeking whores really.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Well there are many criminals on the Earth who have already, and some will commit suicide before ever being arrested by humans who get jobs as police.
Such criminals always only answer the question of what is superior to Islam by either insulting it, or by killing themselves. Its really sad what people say and do as their response to Islam being superior.

2 years, 7 months ago

Muhhamed rode to heaven on an wind horse. Why don't they still exist?

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Is that also why we have 4 fingers and a thumb, or is that one just a coincidence?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam is superior to the others because 4 wives plus one husband equals the same amount of daily Muslim prayers that all good Muslims are taught to do.
:)

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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You are right, we can mane things superior to sandals. We cam also explain in what ways they are superior. You seem unable to do the latter, while I have demonstrated the former.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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The difference between sandals and Islam is that we can name many things superior to a pair of sandals.
Allah has no feet or use for sandals like you and I.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Sandals are not always superior though. In winter, even with socks, sandals just aren't enough. In the home, sandals are not only unnecessary, they make a mess. Bare feet or socks are better for on the home. Sandals or bare feet are better when at a sandy beach. In the same way, Islam is not fundamentally superior, just different. Some people like it, and it rubs some people the wrong way.

When you are gone, I will debate with other people, the same as I did before you arrived.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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And what will you do if I am gone and no longer able to simplify the things your unsophisticated mind finds so complicated?
Islam is superior in the same way shoes are superior to socks and bare feet.
The Jews are walking bare footed, but at least Christians have socks, while the Muslim wears sandals on the feet, and even leather socks as well.

2 years, 7 months ago

Since I know it seems I am attacking your faith deliberately, I want to be clear. It isn't that I think Islam is inferior. I don't believe any religion can claim to definitively be superior. Each has their own justification for thinking themselves the better faith.

Christianity can claim that it has the most followers world wide. Judaism can claim that it is the basis for both Christianity and Islam, and it is therefore the true faith. Islam can claim that its religious texts is the most reliable, since there is record of it being written and by whom.

Each religion has its examples of elevating humanity to be better, and each has examples of being used to justify atrocities.

I am attacking Islam specifically in this thread because you asked how anyone has the audacity to dispute Islam's superiority. If you can give a good reason it is superior, it is justified to dispute it.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Really? Your faith is so shallow that you are running away from the debate?

You proclaimed Islam to be superior, but haven't given any way in which it is. While it doesn't necessarily need your meager proclamation, after you have given a meager proclamation you could at least stand behind it. Either you have no justification, or you are unable or unwilling to give it.

I'm glad being demonstratably trounced in debates amuses you.

And it's belligerence.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam is superior without needing my meager proclamation.
You belligerents are comical, if nothing else.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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That is in no way related to your claim that Islam is superior. Have you given up on arguing that it is and moved on? If so, you should create a new debate that your comments are relevant to.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Homosexual sodomites only lie and claim to be Christians when they rape unarmed nonmuslim men in US prisons.
They never claim to be Jews or Muslims.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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I apologize, I was mistaken. The Bible as compiled today would not have been present. He would have read parts of what has become the Bible, or at least have heard other people read it to him.

He comments on the Jewish and Christian religious texts several times, which would not be possible if he did not know they existed, and would be foolish if he didn't know what they contained. So while his knowledge of Jesus and other biblical figures would not have come from the Bible itself, it came from books that were eventually compiled into parts of the modern Bible. He built his religion on the same foundation, just as others have (Jehovah's Witness for example).

You still aren't demonstrating that it is superior.

You views on homosexuality are absolutely irrelevant to this debate.

2 years, 7 months ago

The nabi read no Bible. Homosexual sodomy is forbidden by Islam because the only God likes it that way.


http://www.edennewspaper.net/homosexual-arrested-for-seducing-men-in-mbalmayo/

2 years, 7 months ago

To be clear, I am disagreeing so that the app will update me for new arguments, not because I am fundamentally opposed to the topic.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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That is true, but Mohammed's knowledge of Jesus came from the Bible. That is why many of the stories and people are parallel. You still aren't explaining why Islam is better so much as pointing out flaws in all religious texts.

Islam is a much younger religion and there have already been schisms because people disagree about what should be done and who should be in charge. While I suspect you will believe that one sect is not really Muslim, the divide between Shiites and Sunnis comes from a disagreement about whether Mohammed's advisor or relatives should inherit his authority. If the church couldn't remain in tact for a single generation after its founder, how can it claim to have all the answers?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam will teach you not to limit the knowledge of what Jesus said and did to the Bible.
He didn't sign exclusive rights of his life story or right of publicizing his words of advice to the men who compiled the Bible.
The bible is far from being immune or tamper proof from charlatans.

2 years, 7 months ago

I was really hoping to see those 2 interact. unfortunately the only time he replied to this post was when I pointed out to thereal that not even najam is engaging him.

still suspicious imo.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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You aren't explaining a reason Islam is better. You are asking questions to tell stories.

Let's compare it to Christian stories.
Jesus stopped a woman from being stoned by saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus was surrounded by evil people, many of whom were religious and secular leaders of those he had come to help. Throughout his life, he healed the sick, fed the hungry, and didn't kill anyone. Even when he was taken to be killed, he did not kill anyone.

I am not trying to diminish your faith, I just don't see how the questions you are asking demonstrate Islam to be superior. If I have missed something due to my limited knowledge, please let me know.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam was superior before you and I were born.
Don't you know that Muhammad rasulallah was surrounded by kafirs who were angry that he said you cant kill baby girls?
Don't you know that he only killed one kafir his whole life?

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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I'm curious about your justification of why it is. It is generally more internally consistent than other religions since it assumes the last instruction or command is correct, and it is younger than most major religions, so its texts can be verified easier.

That said, I don't see it really being superior to other religions. There are still schisms within Islam, with different sects splintering off. Each group believes the other is not truly Muslim, so they are little different than Christianity after the various schisms.

There is a great deal of violence amongst Muslims, targeting others as well as each other. Part of this comes from global politics and conflicts, but it still does not help a claim of superiority.

There are also many who only give token gestures to Islam. Muslims who drink, have premarital sex, steal, kill, or do any of a massive list of transgressions that are prohibited by God, except under certain conditions (ex. self defence justifies killing).

I am not dismissing or insulting Islam in any way, I am just giving my opinion on a claim that it is superior. I am interested to hear your explanation for why it is.

2 years, 7 months ago

How does anyone have audacity to dispute the superiority of Islam?

2 years, 7 months ago
Nemiroff
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the time difference is between my post and his, not yours and his. even if it was you replying, would you be responding instantly after my post?

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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I have other things to do besides monitoring this app.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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You are simply idiotic. That's why you are the ones who have to hide.

2 years, 7 months ago

it makes complete sense. nemiroff logged on that account so that he could make that statement later on his normal account

2 years, 7 months ago

it seems najam is actually nemiroffs account

2 years, 7 months ago

Actually

2 years, 7 months ago

Nemiroff, look at the time distance. is basic subtraction thay difficult for you? inbred goatf***er.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam came after Judaism and Christianity. It's like their child. Some people here don't like their own children in the same way Jews don't like Muslims. Still, we are better than them.

2 years, 7 months ago

anyone else find it hilarious najam replied as soon as I said not even he is replying, despite the topic being up for a whole day and having his name in the title? coincidence?

lol

2 years, 7 months ago

Najam what are your actual views on islam.

2 years, 7 months ago

nemiroff? why am i here again? because its my debate and i called out najam. why ar you here ******? seeking attention as usual that your goatpussy mom neglected you of.

2 years, 7 months ago
Najam1
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Islam is already superior.
There's no debate.

2 years, 7 months ago

not even najam is bothering to reply to you.

who is the unwanted one here? :)

2 years, 7 months ago
Nemiroff
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nobody cares about my comments.
psychdave's comments are unwanted.
and you don't want to debate mr.shine.

why are you here again?
oh yeah. to be a sad little boy yelling to everyone about his superiority while the rest of us laugh at you.

2 years, 7 months ago

Nemiroff, youre mentally ill so what was the point of you even bothering to comment? noone gives a shit, peasant.

2 years, 7 months ago

I disagree. a single post by psychdave, or most members of this community, is more informative, valuable, and desired, then the entirety of your trolling.

2 years, 7 months ago

Dont worry psychdave, i know youre a retard that wants attention because you were neglected of it as a child by your father, thats why you forcefully get involved in convos youre not wanted in.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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It's ok thereal. We all know you won't contribute anything, so we don't blame you for not.

2 years, 7 months ago

oh look, AIDs is contributing to absolutely nothing as usual.

2 years, 7 months ago

mr.shine, rather then engaging this broken record, just look at his past debates and come back to our discussion regarding minimum wage, entitlements, and the National debt.

:)

2 years, 7 months ago

"I admit a lack of knowledge on the quarantine as a whole" that was your comment where quran atocorrectef to quarantine. You admitted having a lack of knowledge on the subject and therefore i do not want to debate with you because as usual, i would end up having to teach you basic concepts and knowledge about the matter, which i do not want to do. A maths professor at university does not stand there teaching his students how to add and subtract numbers, he assumes they should already know that. To debate on a matter as complex as Quran amd Bible, a deep level of religious, logistical and philosophical knowledge is required. You do not possess such qualities. When you do, i will happily engage in debate.

2 years, 7 months ago

Your statement is inadequate. I make admissions as to establish I am not an authority on the Quran, not to say I am incompetent, perhaps it is a cultural difference that didn't translate. Let me explain.
When I come with a legitimate question, be it in simple addition or subtraction, it is for your opinion. But, unless you are an authority it is not so much schooling as it is gaining perspective. In that, I am adequately fitted. It is, however, the teachers responsibility to explain at a certain level.
I brought something to the table, and you didn't, and with no explanation to boot. An outside observer would assume I know more than you do about the Quran, and who knows, maybe I do. But like I've said, I'm no authority on the Quran, I do know plenty of the Bible. Are you, different, exceptional?

2 years, 7 months ago

"I admit a lack of knowledge on the quarantine as a whole" that was your comment where quran atocorrectef to quarantine. You admitted having a lack of knowledge on the subject and therefore i do not want to debate with you because as usual, i would end up having to teach you basic concepts and knowledge about the matter, which i do not want to do. A maths professor at university does not stand there teaching his students how to add and subtract numbers, he assumes they should already know that. To debate on a matter as complex as Quran amd Bible, a deep level of religious, logistical and philosophical knowledge is required. You do not possess such qualities. When you do, i will happily engage in debate.

2 years, 7 months ago

i didnt know your name was najam OH WAIT, thats because its not!

2 years, 7 months ago

Come back to the previous topic, three good reasons.
1. this is a public forum. Ties to #2
2. There is already little interest in this topic, so keep it to one thread, not in a challenge thread (public forum, so not like pm)
3. I've posted comments there. I'm curious about the format and what you favor, then why you favor it.

2 years, 7 months ago
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