National Legalization of recreational and medicinal marijuana For vs Against Go

anonymous
November 26, 2016, 5:56 am

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The debate "National Legalization of recreational and medicinal marijuana For vs Against Go" was started by an anonymous person on November 26, 2016, 5:56 am. 12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 3 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

ADrunkenRobot posted 5 arguments, PoliticsAsUsual posted 4 arguments, M3phisto posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 2 arguments, historybuff posted 1 argument, PoliticsAsUsual posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

historybuff, PoliticsAsUsual, M3phisto, ADrunkenRobot, Neopatriarch, allyssa, emshanley and 5 visitors agree.
Yanksxx21, harshita, Rajat disagree.

PoliticsAsUsual
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and there is no religious law against weed. the only religious exclusion would be to follow the law of the land, which would in no way contradict pushing for it's legalization and partaking once it is legal.

2 years, 7 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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the point of legalization is to steal the business from the mafiosos. illegal production and import has hidden costs. they won't be able to compete with legal establishments especially since they can't just walk around demanding protection money in the open. the mob is not what it once was.

also, earning taxes from weed instead of alcohol is great for the economy cause we get to save on all the medical costs associated with alcohol.

2 years, 7 months ago
ADrunkenRobot
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In terms of addiction, you're thinking of a chemical addiction and not a mental addiction. You can develop a mental addiction for marijuana but that's also true for anything.
And I agree that smoking marijuana isn't completely healthy, as smoking anything in general has negative effects, but there's other ways to inject marijuana into the system. Edibles have been on the rise, especially with certain states legalizing recreational marijuana.

(DrunkenRobot - Accidentally removed my name)

2 years, 7 months ago
M3phisto
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I like your debating skills.

Now i'm against legalisation of marijuana. Why is this? Well i've got three main reasons.

First of all marijuana can provoke mental addiction. Young people are the most targeted. It seems 'cool' and you find it at every party already. Legalising it will mean a huge increase in consumption which will inevitably lead to constant and regular utilisation. The exact kind of utilisation that create addiction. For a solid example just take a look at how sacred the weed has become for the netherlands people. The utilisation of weed has widely increased which lead to some structural problems that i will not develop.

Secondly legalising marijuana will surprisingly bring down state's local businesses. Why is that? Well, weed can and is used as a 'better' subtitute for alcohol. This will decrease the consumption of alcohol therefore the local bars will suffer a loss of clients who will by far prefer coffeshops. Thus, many honest businesses will fail for the profit of the less human ones, which is my third argument.

Third, it supports mafia by actually officialising their businesses. Mafia has the monopole on all the weed distribution network. They will ofcourse dominate coffeshops because it becomes an official way of revenue. It creates new weaknesses, new ways of money laundering, and more ways to 'legally fraud'. Which is way worse than just destroying a weed organisation through police force. We would actually offer mafia a 'good' reason to exist.

I'd like to end by saying that i'm not actually against weed, i actually love it and think we should legalize it haha but damn it was fun to find the arguments!

2 years, 7 months ago

and it can cure/prevent (some) cancers

2 years, 7 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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it really isnt. not to the extent you are trying to use it.... technically everything is addictive if someone enjoys it. but that's not the same thing as the physical signs of heroin withdrawal. weed has none of that.

and it's one of the least harmful substances we know of, with minimal side effects, growing number of therapeutic effects, and the highest OD level of most substances on the planet. it is impossible to overdose unless you start injecting large quantities of purified marijuana.

2 years, 7 months ago
neveralone
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marijuana is not addictive or harmful to u? I'm pretty sure it's both

2 years, 7 months ago
ADrunkenRobot
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Slippery slope fallacy.
There are clearly drugs that are clinically proven to be chemically addictive and completely deleterious to one's health upon injection. I support the legalization of none of these drugs and marijuana certainly doesn't fit the description.

2 years, 7 months ago
neveralone
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idk on how medicine is bad for u but marijuana us as well.

2 years, 7 months ago
neveralone
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how many stable families u know.
also let's say marijuana is bad to the rest of ur family. does this suddenly make the family unstable?

2 years, 7 months ago
neveralone
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by ur reasoning we might as well legalize everything then. not angry just pointing out

2 years, 7 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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why would you prefer something else over marijuana for medicinal purposes?

not only is marijuana being shown to have actual direct medicinal benefits, it's original push was to mitigate many of the horrible side effects of other medicines.

most modern medicine is horrible for you.

2 years, 7 months ago
ADrunkenRobot
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In terms of the "family losing", you're both right and wrong.
You're right because any introduction, ongoing use or reintroduction of a recreational drug into an unstable family structure is going to have negative effects almost 100% of the time.
You're wrong because the opposite isn't generally true for stable family structures. If course there's still a chance for a stable home to succumb to negative side effects as a result but this is only a minority.

2 years, 7 months ago
ADrunkenRobot
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I'd be lying if I said that I haven't*

2 years, 7 months ago

What I'm noticing about 99% of the arguments against the legalization of medicinal and recreational marijuana is that they're primarily anecdotal.
I'd be lying if I didn't say that I haven't smoked weed and enjoyed doing it but that's not the main reason I think it should be legalized. My reasons are is that it will lead to a decrease in crime rate by heavily impacting the underground market of drug dealing, lower the rate mass incarceration, which would benefit poverty stricken areas, provide an extra degree of medical care and to top it all off, bring tax revenue to the state. States like Colorado and Washington have already generated millions of dollars in tax revenue and that number is only going to grow by the year.
I'm going to address the most common counter argument, which is the argument that it could lead to an increase in people who will be mentally addicted to it and the people who make this argument aren't wrong. However, the main problem with this argument is that an increase hazardous results is true for almost ANYTHING. Say, I started and successfully implemented a program that installed an aesthetically pleasing fireplace in every home in the United States. Would I be wrong in suggesting that this would potentially spark(no pun intended) an increased rate of fire damage to homes across the country?
Don't get me wrong, I can certainly see where people are coming from when they're against it but when you take all of these factors into consideration, legalization certainly appears to be the lesser of two evils.

2 years, 7 months ago

except marijuana doesn't make people angry or violent. it makes them more calm and hungry. I don't see how it could harm the family.

2 years, 7 months ago

tobacco is stupid. cost u with minimal advantages.alcohol is weird for me personally. It says in the Bible a drink is fine but drunkenness is not. but my dad's a angry drunk so I have decided not to go near the stuff.
the stuff does damage the family just as bad though
if it's got to be legal ur way of where the money goes is smart.
why shouldn't they?
except the family loses.

2 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Why use alcohol or tobacco? Even ignoring all potential medical benefits, it is less damaging to the body than alcohol and less addictive than nicotine, so why are these permitted to adults but marijuana is not. I think instead of paying immense sums of money pursuing legal action against people for it we could be taxing it for more government revenue, remove another criminal revenue stream and get people out of jail who really don't need to be there. Saving money on the justice and prison system and making money on new taxes seems like the definition of a win win to me.

2 years, 7 months ago
neveralone
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except in medical cases which could probably use something else but will skip over that why use it?

2 years, 7 months ago

Marijuana should be treated like alcohol. Controlled and restricted to protect the young but otherwise available.

2 years, 7 months ago

my reasoning is mainly religious so unless somone wants to talk about it religiously then I'll pass that. on a side note I saw this pic. of a mom putting a bong to her baby. is this right?

2 years, 7 months ago
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