North Korea needs to be taken care of soon

March 16, 2017, 9:40 pm

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The debate "North Korea needs to be taken care of soon" was started by ototoxic on March 16, 2017, 9:40 pm. 25 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 5 people are on the disagree side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

blue_rayy posted 9 arguments, human posted 17 arguments, ototoxic posted 4 arguments, M3phisto posted 6 arguments, neveralone posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.

ototoxic, blue_rayy, M3phisto, human, Brayden24, neveralone, qeteut13, CHuss34, braymus17, EthanTReilly, makson, SirIntegra and 13 visitors agree.
Austynbb and 4 visitors disagree.

in short, absolutely we would should sit back. whether or not you want popcorn is up to you.

you are still pretty young as I understand it and you are providing the kind of brash response young men usually have to problems. you want to charge in and try to fix the problem. history has proven that this is very often a very bad idea.

since you brought up Saddam I will use him as an example. Saddam was a brutal dictator. he tortured and murdered people. but I don't think any honest person would say that removing him was positive for Iraq. he was removed 14 years ago and Iraq is still a chaotic mess. they are still fighting a civil war and probably will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

invading NK would be a humanitarian disaster. it would cause massive diplomatic issues as well. in short there is no up side to invading other than feeding people's egos.

2 years, 2 months ago
blue_rayy
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claps. Who cares about China anyway? Soldiers!!!!!! Pick up your weapons and lets march for democracy!!!!!!!! Hail!!!! Seize the GLORYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

Time for military intervention. Okay i understand China can be injurious to US's health if US tried to invade China..... But still.... We cant sit and watch these chinese morons protecting the uncivilised north korean regime for no apparent reason. They got that fat a-s-shole's brother assasinated. They are really bad. no words can explain their inhuman acts. VX nerve gas has been produced by the DPRK in over 1000 tonne's. A few drops of it is enough to kill you in a matter of seconds.

Even that evil Saddam didnt have those. The US has ordered its destruction. So VX wont be produced in US anymore.

So China, is protecting that funny, uncivilised, psychotic guy in DPRK.

So should we watch them while eating popcorns and let them allow to spray the VX on our houses?

2 years, 2 months ago

here is a link to an article on it. http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/what-is-thaad-what-does-it-do-and-why-is-china-mad-about-it/

in short THAAD is a missile defense system that the US just installed in South Korea. China strongly objected but the US did it anyway.

2 years, 2 months ago

I admit that there is no correct awnser, and that China will stand by NK becouse of there nuke power, they probably think it will prevent a American attack,but would you mind explaining to me what THAAD is? never heard of it before.

2 years, 2 months ago

well in this case there really is no right answer so it's hard to say there is a winner.

some combination of putting more pressure on NK and convincing China they are better without them is necessary.

but that might be impossible. for example the Americans just installed the THAAD system right next to China's border against their strong objections. as long as they feel like the US is the bigger threat, they will never let Kim be removed.

2 years, 2 months ago

do I win the argument?

2 years, 2 months ago

The question is, is there a nother solution, and if not, do we leave them alone, to be tortured for Un's entertainment, or risk there lives in a war. It's a lose big time, or a lose situation really, you deside which is wich, and if we did intervine, hiw do we get past China? Just remember Tony Blair, and the Arrack inquiry. The British population were not happy with it, even thought it was ment to put an end to civilian missery, and it faild(ish) eany way. Should we risk that again? Death or glory mob, is the old British ww2 saying Death, or one heck of a great success, with consequences.

2 years, 2 months ago

and then, that would create a path for the US, UK, Russia, China, whoever to launch an attack, directly at Un, so all we need to do is just push China, that tiny bit more, so that they will turn against NK, but I have to agree, that China can and will deal a lot of damage to our countrys, if they must.


so the key is with the Chinese civilians. Lots of Chinese come to our countrys as tourists every year, if we pushed the NK dramas just over the top, without spreading panic, then the Chinese civilians would be awere that NK is treated as a threat to the rest of the world, it might rub into them, of course, there is provably a much better way of showing that NK's only friend is China, but by getting the message into the Chinese civilians, would be key to getting to Un without the destruction of the human race.

Is there a nother way of getting rid of Un? Becouse historybuff is correct when he says, a war is not necessarily the awnser, but has eany one got eany other ways of getting rid of Un? if so, speak out for goodness sake. Is that not the point of this app??

2 years, 2 months ago

you are missing my point. if removing him triggers a war that kills millions then removing him is a far greater evil than him remaining.

we have not agreed that he needs to be removed. the end result of removing him is the most important factor in whether removing him is justified. if there is no way to remove him without triggering war with China then we should not intervene.

what will probably end up happening is that Kim will eventually do something crazy enough that China is forced to act, or give permission for others to act. they have already cut off trade in coal which is a pretty big thing. I'd say it's just a matter of time before China decides he needs to go.

2 years, 2 months ago

Because, riding ourselves of Un would be a achievement, and almost a must, but how do we do it is the question. HOW!!!!! Not whom of which to fight with, we havent reached that bit yet, we have agreed it must be delt with, but HOW! We NEVER agreed by war,

2 years, 2 months ago

thats what I mean, a attempt to overthrow Un would result in larg scale deaths. But is there a way to get Un to step aside without resulting in a war?

2 years, 2 months ago

NK has a bad ruling regime. but I doubt the people would want you to trigger a war that is very likely to get them killed. we would also probably end up killing millions and millions of other people in the ensuing war with China.

attacking NK is not an acceptable option. not unless China approves it, or agrees to look the other way.

2 years, 2 months ago

the primary problem isn't even the act of overthrowing him, although they would be a colossal problem in itself.

the primary problem is that China will not allow it. this means that any attempt ?to do so would likely trigger a much bigger problem.

2 years, 2 months ago

But if there was a way with no or less blood shed, I will not hesitate to support it

2 years, 2 months ago

face it

2 years, 2 months ago

If the millitary cant do anything, then we have considerd all of the options that mean low life los, and have so far failed. And there fore, we may gave to start to consider, that in an overthrowing of a goverment, lives are lost, and that is inevitable. The French revoulution, British civil war, the american civil war, all were successful, even with only civilians, but they all faced death. Unfortunatly, we may have to except that fact, that an overthrowing of a leader, has its consequences.

it is something that is inevitable, and that we must except.

2 years, 2 months ago

are you insane? that would probably kill 10s of millions of people. it is almost guaranteed to trigger a war with China.

2 years, 2 months ago
blue_rayy
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time for military intervention

2 years, 2 months ago

I doubt anyone knows the answer to that. since it is extremely unsafe to be against the leader, no one with any power or authority in NK is against the leader.

his half brother hadn't been living in NK for years. most of the country probably didn't even remember he existed. but they had him killed.

2 years, 2 months ago
neveralone
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so is there anyone agaisnt there current leader who we can make their leader?

2 years, 2 months ago

the only people in a position to take power in NK is the military. it would still be a military dictatorship. you're just rolling the dice that the new dictator would be nicer than the old one. that is a pretty big gamble with other people's lives.

2 years, 2 months ago
neveralone
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that's why I said we need prepared gov. that's for there people ready to take power when it all goes down thereby limiting loss of life

2 years, 2 months ago

the problem is that there is no guarantee that toppling Kim would improve the situation. at least kim has some legitimacy, being the son and grandson of previous leaders. if you took him out you could get a whole new round of terror and violence as the generals fight for power.

2 years, 2 months ago
M3phisto
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Yeah that's true, a civil war is to be avoided

2 years, 2 months ago
neveralone
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but make sure u can get the people a gov. fast that will help them. else there will be a lot of bloodshed

2 years, 2 months ago

Actually, foreign policy is really complicated. Lets try to find out something we could do to actually end NK whitout a true war. I have some ideas:
-Undermine that country's legitimacy to cause popular revolt
-Send spies to incite a conspiracy to overthrow Kim
-Try to break their alliances
-Support their ennemies

... i'm realising that this is called cold war. The US is already in cold war with them.

2 years, 2 months ago

with nato, NK wouldn't even consider launching a nuke, even with the support of China, so the US amd UK can stop talking about abandoning it, and claiming that it was only benificial during the cold war. Since we have been a member, no one has even thought terrorism or war, without large scale consequences.

2 years, 2 months ago

but even that could result in a war between the country and NK

2 years, 2 months ago

That is precisely what I am saying, but a full on war would not be benificial. The bast thing to do is send in a under cover MI6 agent, Seals or SAS

2 years, 2 months ago
neveralone
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there is no such life if u live in North Korea. all they basically have to look forward to is death. also for those outside Korea should be worried about nk as well

2 years, 2 months ago

blue ray!! There is more to life than the US and the UK taking over the world

2 years, 2 months ago

I would disagree with this last statement of yours. again look at our wars. all philosophical. for freedom. and democracy. also a nation is as it's people at that time. so it would be intellectually dishonest to say we didn't fight for justice or any other good reasons.

2 years, 2 months ago
neveralone
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I would disagree with us just going in for profits. we have tried to help before. basically every war we been in is for psychological reasons.

2 years, 3 months ago

We do what we can do in peaceful ways. Who is the US to come invade a country to help its citizens. Since when the US is a so heroic country? Let me tell you something boy. The US only thinks about profits. Period. If there is no profit in invading North Korea, or the risk of damage is higher than the possible profit, the US will simply take a pass. That's how the world works. There is no ''human rights'' to defend, or ''freedom'' to bring or ''democracy'' to respect. Those are just beautiful words put to justify an invasion of a foreign country.

What if NK decides to attack, dont you think the US has enough defences to face it? Since it is so strong and almighty, how is NK a thread to you??

2 years, 3 months ago

You seem to think that the most powerful country HAS to take over the world. What if i told you that a country can get even more powerful in peaceful ways? This is not the law of the strongest, that's just primitive. Today's advanced civilisation can cooperate to grow together, not against eachother. But as always, tensions exist, countries can deal with it whitout provoking wars around the globe.

Besides, y the fk would america 'take care' of North Korea? Because NK has nuclear power is a thread for the world? The US is not the protector of the world please, not of the world, nor of democracy, nor of freedom. All those are just alibies to propaganda stupid citizens into thinking their country is almighty, amazing and good doing.

2 years, 3 months ago
blue_rayy
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and the US should sit back and watch the DPRK firing missiles on Japan , South Korea , US and your Canada. (sarcasm)

2 years, 3 months ago
blue_rayy
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ok then. we must allow the Kim dynasty rule DPRK forever and let the cycle of executions, nuclear tests and human right violations to go on. (sarcasm)

2 years, 3 months ago

America is having a bit of trouble all ready with the dollar, and if its that easy, and China are the 2nd largest millitary power in the world, why have they not all ready taken over most of the world, plus China could do exactly same thing, so America, as history buff pointed out, would cost a lot of money, and could ruin the two economic super powers.

2 years, 3 months ago

yeah blue ray you have a combination of problems.

1. you overestimate American power. they are occupying large chunks of the world. they have bases and forces scattered across the globe. the disadvantage of having power everywhere is that you can't concentrate easily in critical areas.

2. you underestimate China. China has designed their military in a strategic way. they designed it to dominate their own area. they don't need aircraft carriers to do that. they also have like a billion and a half people to draw on.

3. America isn't in a great place financially. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan along with expenditures all over the world have forced America into alot of debt. trying to fight a war against China in their own back yard would be massively bloody and expensive. it could very well ruin America.

2 years, 3 months ago
blue_rayy
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You people overestimate China.

Chinese navy can easily be defeated by using 40 destroyers of USN.

Chinese Airforce can be easily dealt by using over 3000 USAF planes.

Chinese nuclear arsenal can be destroyed by covert operations by SEALs

Chinese surface to air/ surface missiles can be destroyed by US navy aircrafts by taking off from 11 USN air carriers.

Chinese ground army can be squashed if US army uses APC's, ICBM's , Rocket Propelled vehicles , etc.

2 years, 3 months ago
blue_rayy
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you underestimate the power of Mighty America

2 years, 3 months ago

blue ray, you overestimate the power of America

2 years, 3 months ago

blue ray, why would they win? And DONT say becouse their american. It proves nothing

2 years, 3 months ago
blue_rayy
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but america will win for sure

2 years, 3 months ago

yes, but the military and the police are the ones who matter if America were to invade. Kim is not going to call to a civilian uprising. he has a large, well trained army. they have been preparing for an American invasion for decades. China would also back them up. it would turn into an absolute bloodbath.

2 years, 3 months ago

the reason his in power, is because, his father was leader beforehand, and his brother went to Disneyland, sohe was off the list, dont know why.

And for his support, simple, public money, the millitary and the police

2 years, 3 months ago
M3phisto
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If he's still alive, it means that he has allies. He and his internal allies have taken the power. A man alone could never do this. That's why its not so easy to overthrow him.

2 years, 3 months ago

You people overestimate China.

Chinese navy can easily be defeated by using 40 destroyers of USN.

Chinese Airforce can be easily dealt by using over 3000 USAF planes.

Chinese nuclear arsenal can be destroyed by covert operations by SEALs

Chinese surface to air/ surface missiles can be destroyed by US navy aircrafts by taking off from 11 USN air carriers.

Chinese ground army can be squashed if US army uses APC's, ICBM's , Rocket Propelled vehicles , etc.

Finally, March into Beijing and arrest the communist leaders. and hold them accountable for war crimes.

Finally, its time to celebrate.........

THE END OF BLOODY COMMUNISM.

and @ thereal, you dont know about international affairs. Cause DPRK is NOT COMMUNIST its DICTATORSHIP. China isnt real communist either.

2 years, 3 months ago

The reason hes still leader, is because, hes made it allegal to vote, whitch means he will be there untill he dies.

2 years, 3 months ago

You cant just say everyone hates kim jong un in North Korea. There's a reason he's head of the country, and there's a reason he's still there after all this time. You and i might ignore them, but lets not judge too fast. He has the power, and knows how to keep it. Its not a completely stupid creature.

If it would have been as easy as you think, north korea would've just dissapeared after the first US's attack.

2 years, 3 months ago

As thearal noted, he wouldn't give a look for his people. They have electricity from 5:00pm to 10:00pm every day, and each person has wheat and grain rice (hardley eany of it at that!) while the fat idiot sits in his mansion, planning hi next murder, or celebration towards himself, and forcing his peolpe to cooperate, while gorging on feasts of sguare meals for himself, and firing nukes.

2 years, 3 months ago

NK can feed their people, they are a successful coubtry, as I have all ready pointed out, its just that their fat arse of a leader (king jhon un) is a selfish git, and as we know, has allready killed his unkle father, and lately, his brother!

It's this man that needs to be dealt with rather than the country

2 years, 3 months ago
ototoxic
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And you think every single one of them actually believes that?

2 years, 3 months ago

ototoxic wtf are you one about? what do you mean North Koreans would fight sgainst the govt? you do realise that North Koreans think their supreme leader doesnt take a shit, right?

2 years, 3 months ago

"Hopefully NK and China will have better sense than to try launching anything at the US considering OUR friends and their nuclear power." you mean friends like Russia and Iran? oh wait...

2 years, 3 months ago
ototoxic
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I know, but NK is barely able to feed it's soldiers, it's citizens want to over throw the government. As soon as another country steps in and tries to do something the citizens of NK (the ones that can) will fight back against NK, or at least not fight for them if they have the choice.

2 years, 3 months ago

You need to know, that even though the millitary super powers are well, super powers, it does not mean that they can just go into places like NK and merge victorious within a matter of days, NK is a proper civilisation, and a rather successful country, economaly, and is armed, Allied lives would still be lost, just because most western countrys are well armed and rich, we dont just go into countrys and claim it for ourselves. Lets not go back to the British empire, american cival war, Napoleon, it simply is not the picture we want for our generations.

2 years, 3 months ago

China isn't going to launch anything. North Korea might be crazy enough to though.

China will not allow the US to invade North Korea. they would certainly never allow a puppet government or a take over by the South Korean Regime. China needs NK as a buffer state. any attempt to attack or topple the regime would end in the deaths of millions of people.

military intervention should be the absolute last resort.

2 years, 3 months ago
ototoxic
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Slow down, I never specified a country besides NK. I only said that NK needs to be taken care of. All the innocent lives? So we should just let all those "innocent lives" rot in NK? Hopefully NK and China will have better sense than to try launching anything at the US considering OUR friends and their nuclear power.

2 years, 3 months ago
ototoxic
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Their political leaders arrested and imprisoned and the people of NK freed.

2 years, 3 months ago

milliyary super powers, such as the US UK and Canada etc... could at least show intrest, in stead of waiting for north Koria to launch a nuke

2 years, 3 months ago
neveralone
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covert ops. or simply the UN could do something. doubt it though.

2 years, 3 months ago
neveralone
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why? because they have the same political ideas? sure it doesn't matter that their people are slaves and slaughtered as long as they think like u right?

2 years, 3 months ago
neveralone
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innocent lives can be avoided and he mentioned any country not just US.

2 years, 3 months ago

I dont think blueray understands the gravity of a situation so large on an international scale. Even in high school, when 2 people want to fight all their friends get involved so how do you think it would be woth countries?

2 years, 3 months ago

lol blueray is a f***ing retard. china would never let america invade or do anything like that to North Korea. North Korea is a communist like China and therefore it would be in Chinas best interests to protect NK just like they did during the Korean War when America and South Korea almost completely annihilated the communist forces but then China jumped in and single handedly pushed the borders back to the centre.

2 years, 3 months ago

Create a puppet country? Are you suggesting to invade a foreign country in order to bring them 'freedom'? Do you even think about all the lives of innocent people that can be lost? Besides, what makes you think the US will succeed? What if you actually declare what will become the third world war that risks to create a nuclear fallout considering North's Korea and his allies's nuclear power?...

But hey! Maybe people die but atleast they die free, right?

2 years, 3 months ago

1) defeat north korea militarily

1.5) destroy its nuclear arsenal

2) invade it

3) arrest its top political figures and punish them for human right violations.

4) Setup a loyal government or a puppet government of the US or a democratic government or reunify the korean peninsula by making north korea a part of south korea.

5) Happy ending. All people on this tiny planet would be safe. North koreans will have new sets of freedoms which they had never even thought of before.

6) and if china warns for a war, Invite it to do so. It wont attack anyone. They dont have the so called ' Show of Power'.

2 years, 3 months ago

please define "taken care of" so that I can determine a proper response.

2 years, 3 months ago
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