People condemned to more than 10y of prison should lose all their political rights

March 18, 2017, 4:10 am

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The debate "People condemned to more than 10y of prison should lose all their political rights" was started by M3phisto on March 18, 2017, 4:10 am. 7 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 7 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.

M3phisto posted 8 arguments, human posted 1 argument, thereal posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
blue_rayy posted 7 arguments, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

M3phisto, thereal, Brayden24, Maxshe88, EthanTReilly, SirIntegra and 1 visitor agree.
blue_rayy, Your_dad, Nemiroff, braymus17, JordDorrell and 2 visitors disagree.

M3phisto
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Ah damn, how dafuq do Louisiana qualify shoplifting as a crime? This is ridiculous. The judicial system clearly overreacted to that poor guy. Idk if this is racism, but this reaction is fked up.

1 year, 11 months ago
M3phisto
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If that case from Louisiana would happen here, in france, germany or belgium, it would create a huge shitstorm for everyone involved.

1 year, 11 months ago

Equality and the right to a just trial is a civil and human right. Not a political right.

The US judicial system may be too faulty (racism etc.) to allow this kind of law to exist. I guess you guys first have to solve that issue first. (I'm from europe and we too have racism issues but not in judicial system, judges are constantly verified)

1 year, 11 months ago
Nemiroff
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apparently it was a 4th offense and they threw the book at him. none of the 4 offenses were violent. all petty burglary. yet the white kid who raped a woman got a few months because "he has a future"

@m3phisto

does this look like equality?
I'm not saying a particular judge or DA is openly racist (as I believe you think liberals feel) but the system, and our entire national conscious has presumptions that make us unconsciously treat people of different races differently. the justice system is one of the clearest examples of racial inequality til this day.

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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does it sound less extreme? or extreme?

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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sorry biggie papa, a big mistake. it wasnt California , it was Louisiana ( New Orleans) and the cost of the jacket was 159$

http://www.alternet.org/man-was-sentenced-die-prison-shoplifting-159-jacket-happens-more-you-think

1 year, 11 months ago

can someone link this case cause it sounds alittle... extreme. life for less that 100$? we must be missing some details

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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parole?

1 year, 11 months ago
M3phisto
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Your argument is pointless. If he's sentenced to life, those rights he has are useless anyway.

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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wait, in California, a man was arrested and sentenced to life for stealing a jacket worth less than 100$s. Should he be denied of----
-Right to vote
-Right to be a politician
-Right to occupy a public interest job(administration, police, fireman etc)
-Right to be tutor of anyone
-Right to witness in any judicial case

Think.

1 year, 11 months ago

Fun fact: in belgium, france and england this is actually an existing law.

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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agreed. but they shouldnt become politicians

1 year, 11 months ago

they should lose the right to vote, become a politician, get any job in the legal system, get any job in the education system.

1 year, 11 months ago

perhaps they could lose their right to hold office or a certain job. but they shouldn't lose the right to vote unless they commit treason, and they shouldn't lose the right to be a witness. if anything criminals are the ones that witness most of their colleagues criminal activities. by banning them from being witnesses your just letting worse people get away.

1 year, 11 months ago
M3phisto
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Oh, yeah i see. Poorer countries can use this law to condemn their political opponents and get them out of power.

Yeah you're right, this could only work in a democracy who respects human rights and has a good judicial system (to avoid errors). Voltaire said: ''Better let free 10 criminals than risk condemning an innocent.''

But i think it also depends on a society beliefs. What is more important? System's stability or citizen's freedom? After all, a criminal is still a citizen.

1 year, 11 months ago

but what if the judge is incorrect? in some poorer countrys, justis may be poor around there, so that would be braking human rights laws

pehaps in certain countrys

1 year, 11 months ago

If there are people proven to be wrongly condemned, ofcourse that he gets his political rights back.

Do not forget that 10y condamnation are for grave crimes. This is less about freedom and more about trust in your country's internal system fonction. What kind of country would let criminals become a politician or a policeman? Criminals already cant witness anymore in any given case because they lost all their credibility.

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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what about wrongly convicted people?

1 year, 11 months ago
blue_rayy
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after they serve their sentence, they are just normal people like us. Liberty. Do you get it? They arent criminals anymore.

1 year, 11 months ago

Political rights to lose:
-Right to vote
-Right to be a politician
-Right to occupy a public interest job(administration, police, fireman etc)
-Right to be tutor of anyone
-Right to witness in any judicial case

1 year, 11 months ago
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