The debate "People on left and right agree that money has a bad influence on politics. Let us unite on this" was started by
June 14, 2016, 10:02 am.
24 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 4 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Nemiroff posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
RogueAmerican posted 5 arguments to the disagreers part.
Nemiroff, Sugandha, historybuff, TheC16, moneybagboyz, human and 18 visitors agree.
RogueAmerican, asiaphone12 and 2 visitors disagree.
that would be their fault. they have a disinformation campaign that's why for the average flouride drinker they can't tell which ways up
aside from rogue american, any other right wing views on this issue?
dalton? mr. shine?
what do you mean large republic?
and why can't the 1% also be represented by the large republic? why do you want to give them special treatment but deny it to other groups?
the 1 percent is just an example. The others are addressed by the large republic
the people have a responsibility to know who their leaders are and what they are doing, but the fine print on a thousand page bill filled with legal jargon is beyond the ability of even many highly educated citizens. especially considering that most of us have our own jobs to do as well.
and we absolutely should hold our leaders accountable, but at that point it's too late, the law has passed, and mobilizing our Congress nowadays is like pulling teeth. the odds of revisiting a passed bill is practically 0.
there are many other minority groups that are also hated by large portion of the population. gays, communists, muslims. why do you feel that only that one single group of a few thousand people have to be balanced with the entire population of this nation, whereas other minority groups dont?
is the 0.01% being so abused and harmed by our society before they started silencing the voice of hundreds of millions of people that this new status quo is somehow fair?
And my question then is why do we not go after our Congressmen for this? If they trully represent, why do we allow them to not
Is that their fault or the peoples for refusing to know what is going on. The latter is a sickness that brings all of this about. But think of it this was: the 99%, regardless of party, know what it is to not be rich. The 1% though do.
your talking like the 99% is a unified force. democrat/republican, male/female, religion, race, urban/rural, lbgt/straighy
there is much division in the 99% and most of those groups don't have the money to augment their voices either.
the .01% is just another group that should have as much voice as any other group, not as much as all the other groups combined... (and to be honest, the currently have far more influence than all other groups combined)
it's not about votes and elections, it's about the influence they have over our leaders when they add a few provisions to those thousand page bills that undermine the what is good for the nation in favor of what benefits their contributors.
I'm not against one person one vote. I argue that in terms of getting ones voice heard, what chance does the 1% have in numbers alone. Juxtaposed with the "99%rs" which many of then feel disdain for the 1, they are easily crushed. Money doesn't buy votes, ignorant people do. That is where the funding becomes destructive.
if you are on the right, can you please specify whether you agreed or disagreed?
just trying to see if there is concensus.
are you saying a few thousand people should have equal power to the entire, 100s of millions remaining population of the United states?
every individual has their irrevocable rights, but such a small group of people should never be equal to practically the entire population of the country!!!
1 person 1 vote. that is what the founders wanted, and they even specifically warned about the dangers of allowing money invade our political system.
I'd say the major issue is severe ignorance--many of us including myself are ignorant about issues; however, there is widespread detachment entirely from politics. In a perfect world, money would be a necessity. It helps to give the 1% a voice, and lets face it: a large portion of that 99 hates that 1%. Their money in a way gives them a voice since numbers will not.
But as the founders said, if you are unwilling to weed out corruption in government, you should expect nothing less than tyranny. Ignorance kills freedom, not money.
But I will say the current system of loopholes is awful and that its only effects are superficial. Either go all out or not, but money should be in play because money can talk as loud as people.