Political correctness can be dangerous to a society

February 15, 2018, 11:43 am

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The debate "Political correctness can be dangerous to a society" was started by sabrina on February 15, 2018, 11:43 am. 32 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 12 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

Slymcfly posted 2 arguments, lachlan2 posted 6 arguments, chris3412 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 9 arguments to the disagreers part.

sabrina, lachlan2, Slymcfly, DrMrDaniel, Against_eu, chris3412, Pooja_1, jivanl, NPW, Ashes, chemikilsm0ke, Leeezzz, greencat, RachelAvez and 18 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, Aiyana, chasediedrich1 and 9 visitors disagree.

Nemiroff
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#fakenews

6 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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no one can?
just arbitrary statements of how damaging it is without real world examples?
#FakeNews

7 months ago

can anyone please give me an example of political correctness in action?

7 months ago
chris3412
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I opened this one to interject but I would just be elaborating on your statement here haha

7 months ago
Slymcfly
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Thank God a couple of you guys are smart enough to realize what I meant with what I said. This was an issue during the Mao, Hitler, and Stalin regimes, with Mao being perhaps the worst offender, which is odd, because he would be considered a more "right wing" or fascist leader.

Anyway, Nemiroff, I get what you're saying, and you actually brought up the perfect example for this instance, although I have a different point I'm making. I'm sure that crime in black neighborhoods, and black people being prosecuted more than white people, is probably a result of all of the things you listed combined. However, I believe that political correctness keeps us from being able to honestly and intellectually engage in extremely important discussions, such as this one. If you aren't coming from a place of malice, it should NEVER be looked at, or put-down over "political correctness". I firmly believe that does nothing but a disservice when it comes to critical thinking and problem solving.

What do you guys think?

7 months ago
Nemiroff
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I disagree with that completely. I think the whole political correctness debate is overblown and twisted.

perhaps the issue is that the validity or clarity of the facts is up for debate. the fact that black neighborhoods have higher crime rates is definitely true, but is it because of their culture, socioeconomic issues beyond their control, or is it because of disproportionate enforcement of crimes that are prevalent in many neighborhoods but don't count cause cops are barely there to document it. like drug use.

the fact that crime rates are higher in black neighborhoods is not politically incorrect. the narrative that often accompanies it may be considered politically incorrect, except I'm still not sure what you mean by that phrase.

political correctness is, imo, something that politicians need to be careful of, to not upset their constituents. but the whole story of people being censored by it is (imo) overblown nonsense. and definitely nothing having to do with the government. It's simply a social reaction, that is completely protected by freedom of speech (unless it gets physical). you can say whatever you want, but people reacting to it have that same protection and the fact that it triggers you doesn't negate their right to speak. (same argument you use for your own initial speech)

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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I didn't mean to imply anything, the point is that there are certain facts that are factually correct and politically incorrect.

7 months, 1 week ago

also. what laws enforce this? Or any political correctness? What do you believe is political correctness?

7 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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I never said you were leading anything. the facts themselves are just naked statistics, which without context can be misleading. just like the chainsaw statistic. they are all equally fact but the conclusions the point to aren't always obvious.

does the missing father mean a bad culture or an over zealous criminal justice system especially during the crack epidemic and broken windows policing. I can also show the lack of little league or any other activities as the source of much of the underage pregnancies (few dads of any color stay for those) as well as the gang problem.

either way, sorry for assuming but I blame your vagueness following those specific stats, do you believe the source of those negative qualities of black populations to be genetic or environmental? and I'm sure the environmental will lead us to the government influence debate but I do hope you don't say genetic.

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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I'm saying that we should defend the truth, and there are many facts that society can't tolerate.

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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By giving your chainsaw example your showing an example of what I said. I wasn't misleading because I wasn't trying to lead anywhere. You believed I was leading somewhere because those where politically incorrect facts.

7 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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I don't know about political correctness laws in other countries. usually we would call that censorship. which American laws enforce this "political correctness"?

also, what do you mean by:

"it's politically incorrect to say the wrong facts"

are you saying it's wrong to defend the truth? should we support liars and follow their lies to the inevitable wrong conclusion?

I must be missing something.

7 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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90% of chainsaw accidents happen to men. does that mean men suck with chainsaws?

statistics can be misleading without proper context.

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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Just to prove my point, here are some facts that will trigger you historybuff, that will generally make people think I am a racist. (But I'm not because a fact can't be racist).

Black people are more likely to commit murder than white people.

Black people are more likely to kill police officers than police officers are to kill them.

Around 75% percent of black kods grow up without dads. This is up 50% from the civil rights act, so using deductive reasoning this is their own problem.

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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Well he's referring to the invention of the term "political correctness" which was coined in Mao's little red book, which did lead to millions and millions of deaths. Not so history buff historybuff.

Political correctness is not being friendly, as many leftists believe. It's more of what is deemed to be correct my the majority and the state and can lead to authoritarianism. For instance, Jordan Peterson gets attacked for saying the wrong thing or jail time in Poland for using the term "polish holocaust" (PC can be right wing too).

In the united states it is politically incorrect to say the wrong facts.

7 months, 1 week ago

lol sure. telling people it is incorrect to be sexist, racist etc leads to the murder of millions. that guy sounds like a genius.

7 months, 1 week ago
lachlan2
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If political correctness was correct, it would just be called correctness.

7 months, 1 week ago

Because the underlying ideology of political correctness, and the shaming of those who aren't politically correct, is an ideology that has already caused the murder of millions of people throughout history. I highly suggest giving a listen to Jordan Peterson on why he refuses to use law-mandated language in Canada. He does a fantastic job at explaining, in an elementary fashion, how political correctness is the underlying ideology that has led to millions of people being murdered.

7 months, 1 week ago

how?

7 months, 1 week ago
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