Prayer and scripture are just a kind of poetry and literature

May 2, 2015, 1:12 pm

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The debate "Prayer and scripture are just a kind of poetry and literature" was started by I_Voyager on May 2, 2015, 1:12 pm. 28 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 58 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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If you stretch the definition of poetry, sure, but all you've done is make the word "poetry" broad and useless. People usually don't devote their entire lives and moral convictions to what's typically considered as poetry.

4 years, 1 month ago

Only if you do not take stock in what the Bible says. It is not just a cute book of poetry; in fact, if you actually crack open some pages once in a while, you would see that it shows you much more. Am I biased as a Protestant? Maybe. Not any more biased than an Atheist who presses "Agree". I encourage you, reader, to explore scriptures and find the inspiration, the relevance to life today, and the redeeming message it promises regardless if you believe in that "hocus-pocus". And don't just come back flipping through a few cute bible stories about some idiots who ate an apple, or this recluse that built a boat in the middle of the desert, or some brat who had this sweet colorful cloak that his brothers got jealous of. You gotta keep an open mind for this stuff; else it's just overly-religious backwater for you.

4 years, 1 month ago
I_Voyager
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That's also true of any art, including literature and poetry. In fact I find feeling and thinking through literature and music is a way of life for me. I contemplate the lyrics of heavy metal and the messages of literature with grave care. I let it influence me. They inform my perspective, my emotions, my opinions and my aims. Having spent a portion of my life reciting prayer, I can safely say the feeling I get from contemplating literature and poetry outweigh my childhood experience of prayer. Though at times I've been moved by statements within religious or spiritual texts, I've also been deeply moved (and often more-so) by components in Gilgamesh, The Iliad, A Brave New World, Hyperion and Accelerando.

4 years, 3 months ago

It's a way of life.

4 years, 3 months ago

@debunked26 is banned permanently.

4 years, 3 months ago

Do you believe in Evolution?

4 years, 3 months ago

Not me. I haven't been on this app for that long. And I have never been debunked. at least not on this app. What is your account name and on what debate did you debunk everyone?

4 years, 3 months ago

I have an old account on here. Make a long story short, I debunked every person . You guys should read . its way better than google

4 years, 3 months ago

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4 years, 3 months ago

wanna discuss through phone call ??

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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I think there's a general consensus that these topics are boring. We all go over the same arguments (or troll methods), achieving nothing. But enjoy continuing to try to spark some interest with your fiery method. Though I thought such heat generally only has a place in hell in the Christian mythos....

4 years, 3 months ago

I will debate anyone on here.

4 years, 3 months ago

Actually Voyager said he is a fool so therefore anything he says is not true or highly unlikely and so nobody should listen to what he says. JK

4 years, 3 months ago

you are an idiot

4 years, 3 months ago

I may as well be the first to make an argument.

All classic poetry or literature express a value or the values of the author. They express themes and beg the reader to reflect on important issues of life, death, morality, love, hate, honor, duty. They are meant to evoke an emotional response, a reflective response, a cultural response, a political response. You can get this from anything Plato has written, or Thucydides, from the author of Gilgamesh, from Homer or from the anonymous author of the Sun Tzu. You get this from Dante's Inferno, you get this from The Iliad, you get this from Lord Byron and John Keats and Confucius.

In another statement it had been declared that prayer was just a placebo. I was at first in agreement, but another member changed my mind. Prayer and religious texts also had the same value that old literature and poetry had, at least. In addition it had a spiritual potency, so said the user. Though I was unconvinced. Still, I changed my view to "disagree" given that I came to agree that there is more value than a placebo.

If any given scriptural work is untrue, then it's value would be logically that of the value of literature, or poetry if it were prayer. The purpose is the same - to express values, to cause reflection, to initiate a response, to guide the reader or the readers society. The only difference is it expects you to believe what is written is true, instead of untrue. The modesty of the author of fiction is more than the author of religious fiction. As fiction it appears to be, to those like me who have read them and found the exploits of that god or those gods no more believable than the drama of the gods at the battle for Ilium as depicted by Homer.

4 years, 4 months ago
I_Voyager
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Yes.

4 years, 4 months ago

Are you a fool?

4 years, 4 months ago

We may all agree on this subject. I'm asserting that there is no additional value to either prayer or scripture. If you find yourself a religious person, you may assert there is greater value in scripture than literature, greater value in prayer than poetry. The Bible or the Quran may be more valuable to the human spirit than the Epic of Gilgamesh or The Iliad. I would assert that the former are not good when taken in the context of "true", but as literature and poetry they are fine and should be studied in equal measure to works like the Iliad or the Epic of Gilgamesh. Finally, an antitheist may believe the religious works have no value.

Stake your claims, mortals!

4 years, 4 months ago
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