The debate "President Trump has had a successful year" was started by
January 17, 2018, 9:34 pm.
21 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 12 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Slymcfly posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 4 arguments, historybuff posted 4 arguments, BrynnY posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.
yuu, TukTuk, Slymcfly, Seanwb21, impactperformer, DrMrDaniel, trump, Post_it_note, chasediedrich1 and 12 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, Against_eu, BrynnY, historybuff, kissmyashleeyy, Moonlight and 6 visitors disagree.
also, the economy has been steadily improving for years. giving trump credit for a trend that long predates him is just stupid.
Presidents can't really do anything with the economy. They can push it a little bit but typically the economy is not something a president can fix or manipulate. No president then, for me, gets any credit for economy. Obviously there are exceptions but Trump and Obama are not those exceptions.
Uhh okay. Even if you forget about Obamacare, what he's done to the economy, as I said, is amazing. It hasn't been this good since Clinton was President, and you know it.
Measuring success with what people haven't accomplished? So an A for effort mindset? Will that get me my 4.00 in college? No. Because that's not how success works. You actually have to accomplish something to have it be acknowledged. "There is no try. Only do or do not" -Yoda
I'm also not going to defend everything Trump has said or done. There have been things I disagree with as well. But overall, he has the market humming right now, he has unemployment at a 30 year low, he has BILLIONS of dollars coming back to the US this year, and TENS OF THOUSANDS of jobs coming back this year, which even the president of Apple begrudgingly admitted. If you have a 401K, just look at that. That ALONE should be enough for him to get SOME credit. Obama had the market so depressed, that as soon as Trump was elected, just the THOUGHT of having Trump in office ended up spiking the market. You can look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. The trends are obvious.
Could you stop using ad hominem as a method of arguing? Its quite rude and irrelevant.
I would say that you could also measure success based off of the things the president has tried, and will continue to try, to do. Especially when they are things he campaigned on. You're insane if you don't think Obamacare negotiations will be be reopened this year before the Democrats possibly take over the House and/or Senate.
America has constantly said it is a neutral mediator. trump sent his son in law to be a neutral mediator. he bragged about how easy it would be to negotiate a peace deal. well he completely f***ed that up.
the topic is that he has been successful. failing to repeal Obamacare is the exact opposite of successful. it is failure.
Some of the executive orders regarding strengthening the military and helping people with reitrement, he has done. And yes, he did say on his campaign that he was moving the embassy to Jerusalem. And so has ever other president, like I said, including Obama, in the past 35+ years. He was the only one who had the balls to actually DO IT. If Palestinians were actually dumb enough to believe that the US was neutral, when we have ALWAYS made it clear that we will protect Israel at ALL COSTS, then that is shocking to me. You act as if it was some sort of peaceful place before, and as if there were any progress in their "peace talks", when they were just as divided as they had ever been when Trump enforced that decision.
Also, Trump did NOT completely fail on getting rid of Obamacare, considering the fact that he took away the individual mandate in his tax plan, which, as you know, is one of the Staples of Obamacare. Not to mention that the point is that he tried. he campaigned, he tried, and he will try again. He campaigned saying that he would, and he has done his best so far.
how can you disagree with me asking you to explain your point? that makes no sense.
what executive orders has he signed (and successfully implemented) that he campaigned on?
I don't recall him campaigning on moving the embassy. but it has completely torpedoed the peace process. Trump proved America wasn't a neutral party so they can't help negotiate anymore. the Palestinians are now refusing to even speak to America about this any more.how did this help anyone? it pushed the region closer to war.
obamacare is more popular than ever. he tried and completely failed to repeal it. how can you include that as a success? failure is the opposite of success.
Sorry I meant to reply. And isn't a downvote something you do when you disagree with someone? I'm new to this. Sorry if my etiquette is off. I just didn't like how he was suggesting that it's THAT HARD to figure out why people like Trump. I feel like it's pretty obvious. He does what he campaigned on.
Well a lot of the executive orders he has signed, were things he campaigned on. Also, making Jerusalem the REAL capital of Israel the way the past 5 presidents(including Obama)have PROMISED to the voters. He also attempted, and will still get rid of Obamacare the way he said, he reformed taxes the way he campaigned on, AND he's been working CONSTANTLY on illegal immigration, which, as you know, is what his campaign was built from.
I love the blindly partisan downvotes where you even disliked historybuff's simple request for an explanation. lol
a powerful statement but weak on specifics. which promises did he implement.
besides this government shutdown that he promoted back in May.
He's been successful at keeping his campaign promises. Which is exactly what he was elected to do. Even CNN, Trump's arch nemesis, published an article all about Trump being a, and I quote, "Promise Keeper".
I think his success is:
1) making Hillary lose
2) pissing of liberals.
somehow idiots think the act of pissing off their opposition is equal to improving their nation. and I hope they try to bring up the market which set weekly records throughout Obama's terms.
would anyone voting yes on this care to explain what he has been successful at doing?
I agree with nemiroff. a president is supposed to lead. Trump hasn't lead anything. he makes the Republicans in Congress and the Senate do all the work while he sits back and criticizes.
"I'll sign anything you put in front of me"
"I have my pen ready, let me sign anything"
Is not a qualification for success.
any "success" if you can call it that, is Congress. trump is just a puppet rubber stamp.